*PCGS cross results* “Grade revealed-help” GTG 1922 no d Lincoln cent
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Curious what people on this forum thinks of this coin.
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Updated with crossover results august 16, 2023
PCGS crossed the coin at vf30.
Granted many guesses, on this forum, thought the coin could be graded higher than the Ngc vf25 and I am wondering if I shouldn’t have taken the advice given and cracked it out and submitted it. I know the grade on the Ngc holder should not have been an issue when PCGS was grading the coin but I can’t help to think possibly that human nature could be involved. Regardless, I am happy it graded higher.
Maybe someday I will ask PCGS to reconsider the grade.
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Just a guess. VF35. Looks nice.
I’m at vf35 also
Martin
The reverse looks EF40.
The obverse is so mushy on all 1922 no-D cents that the grading is based mostly on the reverse.
So I think VF35, although EF40 is possible if the obverse is weighed significantly less than the reverse.
XF45
peacockcoins
Strong reverse... I'll say XF45 too. Nice looking coin, great color.
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By the ANACS grading standards of 1979-1984 when I was there this is an EF-40 based strictly on the reverse, but nowadays the TPG’s are a bit over cautious and I would expect this to come back as a VF-35.
I'll guess 40 but I see what looks like scratches in the obverse fields. Possibly old cleaning.
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
VF 35 and strong reverse. Very nice looking.
My initial impression was (and remains) VF35.... Cheers, RickO
VF35
I agree.
I agree. There's not much reverse wear evident.
I like XF-45, but yes, it'll probably go VF-35
Pete
40
Thank you everyone for your comments and guesses.
I thought this coin was under graded by Ngc (vf25) thus, why I submitted this post.
In hand I do not see any outline of the mint mark but when I took the picture for this post I see a very faint outline (weak d). I was glad to see no one commented on this so I assume it is a non-issue.
All my other rare date Lincoln cents are PCGS except this coin. I prefer PCGS for copper coins because my friend just reconfirmed with PCGS that there is no time limit on grade (unlike Ngc’s ten year grade limit). Also, I was told if the grade does change in time PCGS will compensate based on their guides the difference between original vs. new grade (note, my friend asked to get this in writing). This is a major PCGS selling point and that is why I plan on doing something with this coin.
Based on your replies I have some decisions to make and would appreciate your thoughts.
-should I submit this coin to PCGS with minimum vf30 as a crossover? (Note, if it crosses I would keep it and if it didn’t I would sell it).
-should I crack it out and send in raw to PCGS?
-or should I sell it and buy a PCGS 1922 no d?
What do you think is the best approach to take with this coin?
I may crack it.
crack it out
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
"Should I submit this coin to PCGS with minimum vf30 as a crossover? (Note, if it crosses I would keep it and if it didn’t I would sell it)".
My opinion is the above.
It really is a nice coin for the date, Mint, and Variety.
Pete
This
Mike
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Crossovers have been difficult. I'd crack it out and see what PCGS has to say. IMO it has a shot at EF40.
Nice '22 no D. It's the only one I'm missing in MS for my entire Lincoln cent collection.
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I’m wondering why it’s in a 25 holder in the first place? Is there problems in front of Abe’s face?
Martin
Because of the terrible condition of the die on the obverse due to it becoming terminal eons ago, the 1922 Die 2 is graded by the reverse, which was recently changed and fresh.
Pete
FWIW, here's my PCGS-graded VF35 of the same issue. To my eye, my obverse is a bit better than yours, but your reverse is a bit better than mine. I would crack it out and resubmit it.
They got it wrong - crack it out and resubmit or send it in for reconsideration.
WS
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Updated with crossover results august 16, 2023
PCGS crossed the coin at vf30.
Granted many guesses, on this forum, thought the coin could be graded higher than the Ngc vf25 and I am wondering if I shouldn’t have taken the advice given and cracked it out and submitted it. I know the grade on the Ngc holder should not have been an issue when PCGS was grading the coin but I can’t help to think possibly that human nature could be involved. Regardless, I am happy it graded higher.
Maybe someday I will ask PCGS to reconsider the grade.
This is my XF45.
Comparing the two there's more visible wear to the VF30 on both the obverse (Lincoln's hair, jacket, cheek and chin) and reverse (wheat stalks, lettering isn't quite as sharp). Your 22 is still a nice coin.
USAF (Ret.) 1985 - 2005. E-4B Aircraft Maintenance Crew Chief and Contracting Officer.
My current Registry sets:
✓ Everyman Mint State Carson City Morgan Dollars (1878 – 1893)
✓ Everyman Mint State Lincoln Cents (1909 – 1958)
✓ Morgan Dollar GSA Hoard (1878 – 1891)
It's a nice coin. If you crack and resubmit at least you won't have to worry about it being downgraded.
Question: Does the strength of the reverse mean the reverse on the coin when struck was much stronger than the obverse? I would think the wear on a coin would be pretty even in circulation. What accounts for the strength of the reverse?
The reworked obverse die was paired with a brand new reverse die. That's why "die pair #2" is really the only true no "D" cent.