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PSA 9 ??? - Really?

Got this die-cut card in the mail today. Already had a PSA 8 but wanted to upgrade to PSA 9. The card has a large crimp in the top (front and back). Looks like it came from the pack being sealed. Don't think PSA's sealing process would put this kind of crimp in the card. If this did come out the pack like this, it means not only did the grader miss the huge crimp front and back but I thought these were reviewed for accuracy? PSA says they guarantee the grade so what does that mean? Will they give me the money to replace it or grading credit? Do I return it to the seller and let it remain on the market? Pics are first of my crimped PSA 9 followed by my PSA 8.



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  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PSA would regrade, and then give you the difference (in cash) between their value of, say, a 5 and the 9 it says it is. But, of course, there are enough loopholes that unless you really want to keep the card, I'd check out the return policies. For example, if it's a mechanical error.

    My guess is that best case, and the crimp marks are in the image from PSA, is that you could recover about $20.

  • RufussCkingstonRufussCkingston Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe it was a 10 without the crimp! Based on the pics in the ebay listing, I would send it back and say that you thought the crimp on the front was a reflection off the sleeve the slab was in. You can't really see it from the back photo, so item not as described is warranted, especially since I don't think a crimped defect card could be considered mint. Since it's such a cheap card, there's no reason to really get PSA involved.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/225571257156?hash=item3485183b44

  • mbothnermbothner Posts: 761 ✭✭✭

    @RufussCkingston said:
    Maybe it was a 10 without the crimp! Based on the pics in the ebay listing, I would send it back and say that you thought the crimp on the front was a reflection off the sleeve the slab was in. You can't really see it from the back photo, so item not as described is warranted, especially since I don't think a crimped defect card could be considered mint. Since it's such a cheap card, there's no reason to really get PSA involved.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/225571257156?hash=item3485183b44

    Card doesn't come around too often in PSA 9. The only replacement on ebay right now costs $143.10.

  • DBesse27DBesse27 Posts: 2,976 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I usually roll my eyes at threads like this, but this situation is crazy!

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  • dictoresnodictoresno Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 19, 2023 9:03PM

    this leaves you with two scenarios...you deal with it or he will.

    Option 1: remove it from the market. it's obviously crimped from when it was pack sealed and erroneously graded a 9 by PSA (I have no idea how they even graded it this way). open a CRC request and have them review it, regrade it and compensate you for the monetary difference and shipping fees and HOPE you will be made whole or get back more than you paid and keep the newly graded PSA 5 or below and the money back.

    Option 2 (the best option): message the seller and let them know the issue with the more than obvious proof that this card should NEVER have been graded a PSA 9 and you are requesting a return. if they deny it, Ebay will force it given the proof seen here and it will be up to them to do Option 1 to recoup their loss from PSA. they should've known it was messed up and never submitted it to begin with. let them deal with the PSA CRC process, you shouldn't have to. in the mean time, PSA will likely strike the cert once they see the pictures posted here so the card will be deadlined either way.

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  • RufussCkingstonRufussCkingston Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭✭

    @mbothner said:

    Card doesn't come around too often in PSA 9. The only replacement on ebay right now costs $143.10.

    You're basically SOL, as the last PSA 9 sold in March for only $26 and your purchase doesn't show yet on the PSA auction report, so if you send it in, you'd probably get a check for like $15 and the card back in a lower slab!

    https://www.psacard.com/auctionprices/non-sport-cards/1997-marvel-premium-qfx/wolverine/values/2788712

  • mbothnermbothner Posts: 761 ✭✭✭

    I would have thought PSA would not want this card on the market because of their mistake. I would not take less than what it would cost to replace this card regardless of what previous sales were. We all know prices are all over the place right now. I will probably just start a return on the card and wait for another. I sent the same card in for grading and got the min. size but this card gets a 9.

  • RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 735 ✭✭✭✭

    If you had gone to the PSA website to verify the cert number, you can see the scans of the card, showing more clearly the damage to the card. PSA should be embarrassed by this.

    https://www.psacard.com/cert/64578424

  • BaltimoreYankeeBaltimoreYankee Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wolverine rookie card!

    Daniel
  • mbothnermbothner Posts: 761 ✭✭✭

    @RonSportscards said:
    If you had gone to the PSA website to verify the cert number, you can see the scans of the card, showing more clearly the damage to the card. PSA should be embarrassed by this.

    https://www.psacard.com/cert/64578424

    I know they read all these messages or at least a moderator does. I've had them contact me in the past about mistakes but i've not heard anything from them yet.

  • mbothnermbothner Posts: 761 ✭✭✭

    @BaltimoreYankee said:
    Wolverine rookie card!

    I guess his rookie card would be the 1990 set since he was not in the 1966 set.

  • I am pretty sure if you reach out to customer service or submit the request form. Provide the details , you will get you $46.50 back without a fight and they will pull it out of circulation.

  • RufussCkingstonRufussCkingston Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭✭

    @mbothner said:
    I would have thought PSA would not want this card on the market because of their mistake. I would not take less than what it would cost to replace this card regardless of what previous sales were.

    Yeah, that's not how it works. They do it based on what the current value is, and because the only one for sale could be a zillion dollars, does not make the value so....

  • 1951WheatiesPremium1951WheatiesPremium Posts: 6,205 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is it possible that Wolverine did this to the card himself?

    That right hand placement…

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  • ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why not buy the $146 one and then return it to PSA and say "Look, the most recent sale is for $146."

    I've got to ask. You said you were looking to upgrade your PSA 8. How did you miss the crimp when you were building the sub? I am by no means blaming the situation on you but that thing sticks out like a herpe in church.

    Arthur

  • RufussCkingstonRufussCkingston Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭✭

    @ReggieCleveland said:

    I've got to ask. You said you were looking to upgrade your PSA 8. How did you miss the crimp when you were building the sub? I am by no means blaming the situation on you but that thing sticks out like a herpe in church.

    OP did NOT sub the card, he bought it off ebay...... https://www.ebay.com/itm/225571257156?hash=item3485183b44

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