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Signed Bay Bridge is it a gimmick?

I saw this coin on EBay and was wondering if these items are a gimmick or true signed sealed coins by the designer packaged in 1936. I like the coin in the photo but have no idea if it was in original packaging since 1936 or not a gem worthy of submitting to a TPG service. Any suggestions if I should consider buying?

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Obviously that was not sealed in 1936.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 3,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From 1986.

  • bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,687 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • WalkerloverWalkerlover Posts: 491 ✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2023 9:56PM

    @TomB said:
    As long as they aren't tampered with then they are legitimate, random Bay Bridge half dollars that were inserted into cardboard holders that were signed by Jacques Schnier. However, these were not done in 1936 and were instead done decades later in an agreement with a private company to market and be sold to collectors.

    So are you saying they were signed in 1936 but reholdered in plastic and sold to collectors in 1986, or Mr. Schiner signed some in later years for promotional purposes as well?

    Any opinions on the coin itself?

  • WalkerloverWalkerlover Posts: 491 ✭✭✭

    So far no one is commenting on the quality of the coin which is more important than the signed piece

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 44,829 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    That was a deal I did about 25 years ago – I had a local friend who knew the coins designer, and had him sign all of the cards -then we sonically sealed Unc – BU coins.
    as I recall, we couldn’t find 1000 coins and my recollection is that there were less than 750–800 pieces produced

    The designer died in 1988 so it had to have been more than 35 years ago.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice collectible for those who like signature pieces. Certainly a limited amount available. Nice to see it was a @FredWeinberg project. Cheers, RickO

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerlover said:
    So far no one is commenting on the quality of the coin which is more important than the signed piece

    Difficult to give feedback when only half of the coin is visible!

    "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Catbert said:

    @Walkerlover said:
    So far no one is commenting on the quality of the coin which is more important than the signed piece

    Difficult to give feedback when only half of the coin is visible!

    In this case, not really. It's a common coin of low value, that looks to be unexceptional. As has already been pointed out, the holder/signature are much more significant than the coin.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Catbert said:

    @Walkerlover said:
    So far no one is commenting on the quality of the coin which is more important than the signed piece

    Difficult to give feedback when only half of the coin is visible!

    In this case, not really. It's a common coin of low value, that looks to be unexceptional. As has already been pointed out, the holder/signature are much more significant than the coin.

    I know all of this, but was attempting to be responsive to his complaint.

    "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
  • habaracahabaraca Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭✭✭

    so YES it is/was a gimmick by our own Fred Weinberg

    Commemoratives themselves were/are a gimmick by the mint to sell coins. This practice
    continues today.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerlover said:

    @TomB said:
    As long as they aren't tampered with then they are legitimate, random Bay Bridge half dollars that were inserted into cardboard holders that were signed by Jacques Schnier. However, these were not done in 1936 and were instead done decades later in an agreement with a private company to market and be sold to collectors.

    So are you saying they were signed in 1936 but reholdered in plastic and sold to collectors in 1986, or Mr. Schiner signed some in later years for promotional purposes as well?

    Any opinions on the coin itself?

    The type of pen used for the signature did not exist in 1936.

    See Fred Weinberg's comments above. The coins were random coins purchased on the open market in 1986.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • SlipKidSlipKid Posts: 49 ✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @Walkerlover said:

    @TomB said:
    As long as they aren't tampered with then they are legitimate, random Bay Bridge half dollars that were inserted into cardboard holders that were signed by Jacques Schnier. However, these were not done in 1936 and were instead done decades later in an agreement with a private company to market and be sold to collectors.

    So are you saying they were signed in 1936 but reholdered in plastic and sold to collectors in 1986, or Mr. Schiner signed some in later years for promotional purposes as well?

    Any opinions on the coin itself?

    The type of pen used for the signature did not exist in 1936.

    See Fred Weinberg's comments above. The coins were random coins purchased on the open market in 1986.

    Mr Schnier probably didn't look like that in 1936 either.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 22,499 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All I know is my Bay Bridge is nowhere close to being as large as that depicted in the photograph.

    peacockcoins

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 22,499 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2023 10:02AM

    @FredWeinberg said:
    That was a deal I did about 25 years ago – I had a local friend who knew the coins designer, and had him sign all of the cards -then we sonically sealed Unc – BU coins.
    as I recall, we couldn’t find 1000 coins and my recollection is that there were less than 750–800 pieces produced

    And thus my forty-year quest in searching relentlessly for the 1000/1000 coin has now reached a conclusion.

    peacockcoins

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,461 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    That was a deal I did about 25 years ago – I had a local friend who knew the coins designer, and had him sign all of the cards -then we sonically sealed Unc – BU coins.
    as I recall, we couldn’t find 1000 coins and my recollection is that there were less than 750–800 pieces produced

    It's always nice when The Answer is posted.

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