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Morgan DMPL/PL question

1 of my 1st posts, question, been buying morgans for years, started with slabbed coins, and have recently moved to the lure of ebay listings. i try to bid very conservatively for the raw coins & send them off to pcgs over time. Many people list ebay coins as dmpl, and they seem to be lucky if they grade out to PL or a star* at NGC. I do enjoy when the ebay seller attempts to show the mirrors on each side. Any thoughts how this coin would grade out. I also very concerned of that "unc-cleaned details" rating.
Thanks for all your help, also this is the 1st time I tried to include pictures.





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  • olah_in_MAolah_in_MA Posts: 69 ✭✭

    I should have added, I feel like this coin would grade out to AU?

  • olah_in_MAolah_in_MA Posts: 69 ✭✭

    also. while i have 1, is it even possible to have a coin graded as AU & DMPL? Feele like the dmpl designatiopn is for UNC coins> been wondering for some time

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin looks AU, which I believe makes it ineligible for a PL designation. It also looks cleaned, though I can’t tell if it’s to the degree that would result in a details grade.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • BoloBolo Posts: 131 ✭✭✭✭

    I'd vote AU for this too.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would suggest to stop using cotton gloves as it might be more likely you drop the coin using gloves than just using bare hands. I don't believe I know anyone who uses gloves regularly for coins.

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  • mattnissmattniss Posts: 776 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Solid date to find for a Morgan. Appears to me based on photos that it's likely it's had a cleaning. As such, I don't think sending it in would be the right move. If you did, I'd venture a guess it would come back AU - Details.

  • RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks to me that the reflective photos are of a different coin than the straight Obv and Rev shots?

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  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,990 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 10, 2023 8:12PM

    Even though there are a few examples, PCGS will not designate PL on AU coins. NGC does. I think this may change with CACG coming into the picture since they will honor NGC and PCGS CAC stickered grades and I own an NGC AU58PL.

    For showing mirrors, I have come to like using a lottery ticket with 10 draws on it so the ticket itself is ~9" long and has lots of distinct text that you can use to judge the depth of the mirrors.

    I would send it off to NGC and get the AU58PL or AU58 DPL then send it off to CAC.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,308 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like an AU58 PL from here.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would say that coin is AU cleaned... and possibly details due to the hit on the reverse by the wing. Cheers, RickO

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,610 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rollerman said:
    It looks to me that the reflective photos are of a different coin than the straight Obv and Rev shots?

    It appears the scratch beside the mouth is in all obverse photos. I believe it to be the same coin.
    Jim


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