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Gross modern reproduction - gone now

IkesTIkesT Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 26, 2023 8:39AM in U.S. Coin Forum

This crudely-designed piece is pretty clearly a modern replica; the quality is nothing like anything made by the Mint. The lopsided anatomy and clunky giant arms made me laugh, especially the spot where lady Liberty stabbed herself through the arm with the pole.



  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭

    a) looks more like a dime or half dime

    b) what are the date and arrows doing on a hub-type piece?

    c) aren't galvanos usually in relief/


    Ed. S.

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 25, 2023 9:07PM

    @Aegis3 said:
    aren't galvanos usually in relief?

    Yes. A hub trial has an incuse mirror image of the intended design, but this item is clearly not a genuine Mint hub trial, either.

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2023 12:39AM

    Here is the flipped image for ease of viewing.

    As @Aegis3 pointed out, the design looks more like a seated half dime or dime than a quarter, but only as a crude imitation. Looking closely at the details, you can observe that they actually do not match any seated denomination. There are telltale mistakes all over the design, including the date (often a good place to look on counterfeits). The digits are a poor imitation of those used by the Mint in 1853. And as Aegis3 also pointed out, no date should be present on a genuine hub trial from this period in time.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 44,829 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on the pic with the tape measure, that thing is about four inches in diameter. Also, Miss Liberty needs to go on a diet.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Based on the pic with the tape measure, that thing is about four inches in diameter. Also, Miss Liberty needs to go on a diet.

    LOL - I forgot about that. Definitely another reason why it cannot be a hub trial!

  • OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Poor Liberty looks kinda like a Simpsons character. :D

    Type collector, mainly into Seated. Young Numismatist.

  • MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Miss Liberty needs to go on a diet.

    Only on her right side. But she needs a doctor for that puncture wound.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :D Well, unlikely anyone will be fooled by that... whatever it is.... then the 'buy it now' price tag.... :D Cheers, RickO

  • edwardjulioedwardjulio Posts: 986 ✭✭✭✭✭

    -Incorrect number of horizontal shield lines
    -Overzealous tummy bulge
    -Discus thrower arm
    -Arrowheads should not touch base
    -No gown clasp
    -No hair above gown clasp
    -No sandal straps
    -No returns

    End Systemic Elitism

  • wozymodowozymodo Posts: 138 ✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2023 9:28AM

    Modern. She has the arm of someone who's been holding a torch in the harbor for 150 years! :D

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It was removed...

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    It was removed...

    Yes; fortunately, it was. This was an unusual case compared to the cut-and-dried counterfeit coins that are normally discussed here. The item itself is clearly not a coin, so the rules regarding counterfeit coins presumably did not apply. It's also clearly not a galvano or anything else that the Mint would have created during the development of coinage. Whatever the item's original purpose, I doubt that the maker had any intention of passing it off as a genuine Mint product.

    While the seller acknowledged in the item description that they had no proof it was genuine, it was nevertheless listed as such, with a price tag that would only make sense if it was indeed genuine. Whether intentional or not, the listing was misleading. For that reason, I am glad it was removed, although I'm also not sure what eBay's official policy is on listing such items. Of course, I also do not know whether it was reported or removed voluntarily by the seller.

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