Pretty Deceptive off-centered Indian Head Cent Counterfeit

redraider

This coin ends in a few hours on Ebay. It is a pretty good counterfeit. Here is why I think it is a fake: It does not appear to have an "L" on the ribbon and the bust does not appear to be pointed. This would narrow the date to an 1864 Bronze "no L" type. HOWEVER, the reverse is wrong for this date. It should have the "Shallow N" reverse. The reverse on this coin was not introduced until 1870.

Be careful, as this surely would fool someone!

BillJones

An 1864 Bronze Indian Cent.

An 1864-L

Shane6596

These are all fakes, it's disgusting. This is just a small example of what's available.

Some of the feedback from customers was they knew they are fake but are using them as hole fillers because they love the look.

johnny9434

At least they got "copy" on these,fwiw

TomB

@johnny9434 said:
At least they got "copy" on these,fwiw

"COPY" is typically photoshopped onto the images, but the counterfeits themselves are shipped without any notation on them. If they actually stamped them with "COPY" then their sales would likely plummet 90%.

Shane6596

MFeld

@redraider said:
This coin ends in a few hours on Ebay. It is a pretty good counterfeit. Here is why I think it is a fake: It does not appear to have an "L" on the ribbon and the bust does not appear to be pointed. This would narrow the date to an 1864 Bronze "no L" type. HOWEVER, the reverse is wrong for this date. It should have the "Shallow N" reverse. The reverse on this coin was not introduced until 1870.

Be careful, as this surely would fool someone!

Link?

redraider

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115770338487?hash=item1af4732cb7:g:GGQAAOSwKWhkOJGR&amdata=enc:AQAIAAAA4K/4jVHcFllsjVYE4G3KvjcaUSTbl5kqZyWxUHry4p9twDzgLkHJx0Kf5NwsNFJKUigVmsnREftW/5isbo8ssXP1OeFRMf8O3z8dx0FwgsoNI6v0VPegzcnVNHeW0H2tKeFGq1y6Ewd+YcTIxxHGOoNayVktftiqQ/NgTzyv1lWOfmqMqU+g/BLZ6ZFNAn+Ln7T/+6ljE/5MPnizzovRfjRMn8jJNgiYh8w7WVJNOsBcRfb5F09euwxMyrLGrYMeZn4VGdVcIW02Pnx9paSKEHayTRlLc/l9R1IZ4MWOxj3u|tkp:Bk9SR4Lp_ND0YQ&LH_Auction=1

Tramp

Ended! Nice job!

burfle23

There are certainly more deceptive fakes out there @Shane6596 !

dcarr

@redraider said:
This coin ends in a few hours on Ebay. It is a pretty good counterfeit. Here is why I think it is a fake: It does not appear to have an "L" on the ribbon and the bust does not appear to be pointed. This would narrow the date to an 1864 Bronze "no L" type. HOWEVER, the reverse is wrong for this date. It should have the "Shallow N" reverse. The reverse on this coin was not introduced until 1870.

Be careful, as this surely would fool someone!

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The pictures are not very clear.
But I think this coin is genuine.

The "L" is not very easy to see on many coins that have it.
So I am not surprised when the "L" is not easily visible in photographs.

Look at the 4th feather from the bottom. It points directly at the center of the first "A" in AMERICA.
On a Type-1 coin, this feather would point at the left foot of the "A", not the center of it.
This indicates that the coin is a Type-2 obverse produced from 1886 to 1909.
All of the Type-2 coins have a strong "N" reverse, like this one.

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MarkKelley

I believe this is a genuine type 2 (1886 to 1909) coin.