First Strike cutoff dates for 1960s & 1970s Proof Sets and Mint Sets?
jmski52
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Does PCGS certify First Strike for any of the old sets if they are still in a sealed box? Is there a reference of the cutoff dates? I know that in the 1960s, the ship dates were months and months after the first order date.
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Do you have the post mark from the 60's?
edited to add: from PCGS Website: "Submit the coins in the original unopened shipping box from the U.S. Mint with a postmark date prior to the specified PCGS cutoff date."
PCGS was not in existence in the 60's, so there are no specified PCGS cutoff dates on record.
But, I like how you are thinking outside the box, Comrade.
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FS cutoff date archive (back to 2007).
FWIW, a quick search revealed a FS ASE from 1986 (i.e., PCGS Coin #601594). IOW, it looks like PCGS has awarded the FS designation to coins older than 2007.
Just curious, do YOU have documentation of the initial ship date for the subject sets, and are your postmarks within the 30 day window?
Now that is a question I have never thought of... Probably neither has PCGS. A call to customer service would probably result in "I will ask and get back to you."
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I think in this case if you could provide documentation that PCGS would need to give FS, they would do it.
That must be how this came to be:
http://ProofCollection.Net
The website only has cutoff dates back to 1997. I have some sealed mint and proof sets that are still in the original mailers. It would be funny to do this.
What would be more fun is to convince PCGS to start a PCGS First Strike registry requiring those coins in FS.
http://ProofCollection.Net
I could only find cutoff dates back to 2007 on the "First Strike" webpage.
Clearly, you have located a better resource, with older information. Could you provide a link to this data?
The oldest capture in the Internet Archive is from 2007 and refers to a 2005 initiation date.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070831142345/http://www.pcgs.com/firststrike/
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Yes, you could potentially get first strike labels for the coins, but you’re gonna need to provide proof/evidence to pcgs showing the on-sale date for the coins, or evidence when they were first shipped from the mint. Plus your sealed mint packaging will need a dated invoice inside to show it was received within 30 days of release.
It becomes rather difficult to research and locate these exact dates from the 1960’s or so, but in theory it is possible.
Good info.
Seems to explain the FS designations on ASE from the 1980's (i.e., a sealed box with a JAN 'postmark/invoice').
Thanks for sharing.
I remember when the Mint started taking orders for the 1968 Proof sets after the three year break. I guessed that the demand would be high, but as a college freshman living at home I could not afford $100 for the maximum 20 set order. I scraped up $85 and ordered 17.
Maybe they filled partial orders before they shipped all the full boxes of 20, but one Friday I came home from school and the box was there. I opened it, looked at them and took them to a small local show the next day. Nobody had seen any, and a dealer I knew gave me either $12.50 or $13 each for the lot. A few years later they were retailing for $7 each.
Doesn’t the first strike 30 day window start when PCGS gets the first coin?
Anyway they’re never going to certify a first strike for a coin dated before they even existed.
I do like your thinking though there are a few sets still sealed up with a post mark on them. I think my local guy has one in his rack can’t remember if it was open or not.
Martin
Clearly you haven't read the whole thread.
And some coins even have multiple first strike eligibility windows.
http://ProofCollection.Net
I agree with Proof. I find it is a very interesting point and topic for collecting.
I will not discuss the policy on any TPG's on first strike. I will tell you what I see in 1998 and been there physical.
The new Shuler Presses installed, my brother from Germany and his team test, adjust and etc. Theirs work. Me I was with a big shot for others purposes, A big Director. So, all good, the line start. First 5 coins took apart and the next 500 also.
What was with those coins? and as crazy curios person I ask what and why those coins are put apart.
Answer: 1. First 3 to museum, 2. the fourth for gifts, 3. fifth coins in a bag on the machine for the sets that the Mint sell first coin strike with a die and the die canceled, 4. the rest 500 coins on special tray to be ship and certify First Strike.
And this process was for all presses.
This was in that year, was change? No idea? But for me to go by date of shipment sound not good. If the first shift work send for sets, at 750 coins a minute on 8 hours and to say 40 presses will can be considerate First strike?
By facto: No Die survive more then 12 hours. So first hour strike equal with the eighth???
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@silviosi We're talking about different things. I'm talking about coins like the 2023-P & D Coleman quarters. There's a first strike window when they release the rolls & bags, then there's another window when they release these coins in the annual mint sent. And if the mint released a "congratulations" or "birth set" with these coins, those would also be eligible for first strike for 30 days.
http://ProofCollection.Net
I remember that in the 60's and 70's you would order proof sets with cutoff date in March or April and they'd be delivered in September or October. I'm not sure how it could be determined to be a "First" or "Early" strike.
Yes they do. however the whole set that, that particular coin needs to be sent in. And I think the label will indicate what set it was from.
Going back the the 60’s era proof sets
Hard for a
Company that didn’t exist at the time to have a cut off date assigned to any particular year given how they determine, at the present time cutoff dates. Are they going to go back and check what the first day the received a 1960 proof half and add 30 days prest that’s the window. When again did PCGS grade it’s first coin?
However the whole first strike thing has a few flaws in itself. So I guess they might
Martin
Currently, I THINK that PCGS 'starts the clock' on FS based upon the initial ship date from the Mint, rather than first 'submission/receipt' at PCGS.
Consider this coin from the 2022 cutoff schedule.
Source: https://www.pcgs.com/firststrike
The coin was "released", or could be purchased, starting on 8/9/22. Further, it has a "ship date" of 8/16/22. Note that the "cutoff date" of 9/16/22 is 30 days after the "ship date", accounting for the 'Labor Day' holiday.
@MetroD thanks for taking the time. It does look like it starts on shipment. I was under the impression the clock started once first coin was received for grading.
Well then if Rodger B could dig up a memo on a proof set shipping date for a particular year it could be possible (not likely), a sealed single set that was shipped via the post office with a early sipped date could be considered first strike. If it has not been opened.
I bet there a few out there.
MeteroD Thanks again
Martin