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NN: "Coin Theft Suspects Caught...mother and son accused in thefts...$500k rare coins/bullion"

GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 16,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 10, 2023 8:52AM in U.S. Coin Forum

You got to love this. Great work and praise to Doug Davis of the Numismatic Crime Information Center.



Pamela Jo Rosas (image source: Facebook) and Christopher Jude Rosas (image courtesy Jefferson County
Texas Sheriff’s Office).

Coin Theft Suspects Caught
Texas coin dealer Michael Fuljenz praises assistance in locating a mother and son accused in thefts of more than $500,000 of rare coins and bullion items.
Numismatic News Staff


Two people were charged in connection with the thefts of rare coins and bullion coins mailed to customers from Beaumont, Texas. One of the suspects was an employee of the United States Postal Service who is now awaiting federal sentencing along with forfeiture of funds. The other suspect was her adult son who died before he could be tried in state district court or agree to a plea deal.

“We experienced more than $400,000 in lost or stolen coin shipments over the course of a year,” said Michael Fuljenz, president of Universal Coin & Bullion in Beaumont. “When challenged, local post office representatives repeatedly assured us the packages were being stolen after they left their distribution facility here. However, the thefts were happening at the local post office.

“Had it not been for Numismatic Guaranty Company (NGC), former Texas Police Chief Doug Davis of the Numismatic Crime Information Center (NCIC) and Oz Fong, a dedicated investigator with the U.S.P.S. Office of Inspector General, we may have never discovered what was really happening to our shipments,” stated Fuljenz. “We filed reports with various law enforcement agencies, including the U.S.P.S. Office of Inspector General, listed all of the coins as ‘stolen or missing,’ and reported them to NCIC. From there, Davis worked with NGC to ensure the coins were entered into their database.”

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https://www.numismaticnews.net/us-coins/coin-theft-suspects-caught

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    dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @telephoto1 said:
    Not sure why, but that guy's mugshot made me laugh out loud.
    Glad they got caught.

    He doesn't look like the sharpest tool in the shed, but apparently he is now deceased, so they cannot prosecute him. Mom on the other hand... she is in for a rough time.

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,363 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dsessom said:

    @telephoto1 said:
    Not sure why, but that guy's mugshot made me laugh out loud.
    Glad they got caught.

    He doesn't look like the sharpest tool in the shed, but apparently he is now deceased, so they cannot prosecute him. Mom on the other hand... she is in for a rough time.

    Five years in prison at her age- no job to come home to- to retirement from the PO- I agree.
    She made poor choices.
    Does anyone know how the son died?
    I'd guess suicide.

    peacockcoins

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is an amazing amount of thefts... especially for one person. I wonder how many years that has gone on. And, if she is just one crook.... Nah, there must be more if she could get away with it for that long. Shakes my faith in the Post Office. Cheers, RickO

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    dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:

    @dsessom said:

    @telephoto1 said:
    Not sure why, but that guy's mugshot made me laugh out loud.
    Glad they got caught.

    He doesn't look like the sharpest tool in the shed, but apparently he is now deceased, so they cannot prosecute him. Mom on the other hand... she is in for a rough time.

    Five years in prison at her age- no job to come home to- to retirement from the PO- I agree.
    She made poor choices.
    Does anyone know how the son died?
    I'd guess suicide.

    Yes sir. He was charged in related felony case in 2021, and killed himself.

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    Yes chalk one up for the good guys.
    That's why it's always safe to never write anything to do with precious metals or bullion when mailing.
    I always abbreviate or something to that effect.
    I never write Coin, silver, gold or any words to give a clue.
    I'm sure this company didn't either and I bet this is not the only theft they performed.
    This is just what they were caught for.

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    JW77JW77 Posts: 464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 7, 2023 8:26AM

    @telephoto1 said:
    Not sure why, but that guy's mugshot made me laugh out loud.
    Glad they got caught.

    I think he is concealing a couple of Saints under his lip. :p

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,692 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Dave99B said:
    The mother is facing only 5 years in prison? Seems a tad light to me.

    Dave

    It should be 20 yr's plus restitution

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    DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2ndCharter said:
    So, did the local post office representatives get fired for denying the thefts took place under their watch?

    This. Middle management needs to be held accountable.

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,738 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You know the mother offender was very disarming while working at the facility. Who me? I know nothing!

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    rte592rte592 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 7, 2023 10:14AM

    @erscolo said:
    Cut off their hands so they cannot steal anymore.

    Use the quick & painless guillotine, aim a little higher.
    Give them a choice.
    20 years hard labor in the fields growing food for the facility to feed the inmates.

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,446 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @rte592 said:

    @erscolo said:
    Cut off their hands so they cannot steal anymore.

    Use the quick & painless guillotine, aim a little higher.
    Give them a choice.
    20 years hard labor in the fields growing food for the facility to feed the inmates.

    While in prison, notify her that a coin is going to be shipped to her.

    Then have it stolen.

    See how she likes it.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
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    dhikewhitneydhikewhitney Posts: 384 ✭✭✭

    @johnny9434 said:

    @Dave99B said:
    The mother is facing only 5 years in prison? Seems a tad light to me.

    Dave

    It should be 20 yr's plus restitution

    May not do any prison time at all. The federal plea agreement is "sealed." Why would they seal a plea deal unless there would be adverse reactions due to the leniency of it ?

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    GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 16,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, this story was published back on March 29, 2023.


    Suspects Christopher Jude Rosas and his mother, Pamela Jo Rosas, pictured with the Beaumont Post Office and one of the stolen coins. The pair have been charged with postal theft and the selling of stolen coins.


    Coin Theft Suspects Caught With Help From NGC and NCIC

    Texas Coin Dealer Michael Fuljenz praises assistance in locating a mother and son accused in thefts of more than $500,000 of rare coins and bullion items.
    by Mike Fuljenz l Published on March 29, 2023

    https://www.greysheet.com/news/story/coin-theft-suspects-caught-with-help-from-ngc-and-ncic

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    rec78rec78 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thebeav said:
    I don't know how you would run your store, but if someone came in and sold me a 14 thousand dollar Dahlonega, there would be a lively discussion with regard to proof of ownership.
    You had better know what you were talking about !

    Unfortunately, possession is 90 % of the law. Sometimes ownership is hard to prove.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @rec78 said:

    @thebeav said:
    I don't know how you would run your store, but if someone came in and sold me a 14 thousand dollar Dahlonega, there would be a lively discussion with regard to proof of ownership.
    You had better know what you were talking about !

    Unfortunately, possession is 90 % of the law. Sometimes ownership is hard to prove.

    Agreed.

    When someone tells you they inherited it from their uncle, it's rather hard to disprove that. Are you really going to ask them to prove that their loved one died?

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With the advanced technology they should have been caught much sooner. Maybe mark the inner package "rare rattlesnakes" or "scorpions" or "deadly spider" inside or actually include one that the receiver knows how to handle.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,614 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With all these postal thefts, what's to prevent a criminal from mailing a rock and insuring it for $30,000, and marking the package "CAUTION---RARE COINS"? The chances are good that the package would be stolen and an insurance claim could be made for a big payday.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

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    CoinHoarderCoinHoarder Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not sure, but If she has 10 years or more as a postal worker, and resigned, she may still get a deferred pension. That would truly be a shame.

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like she was using her son to fence the stolen coins like Ma Barker.

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