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Thoughts on $5 Indian gold: please vote

johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

Assume same eye appeal for now, and no green bean kicker to consider.

1912: MS65+

  • 790,000 made
  • survivors: 36,000
  • MS65 or better: 110
  • PCGS 65+ is 4 TOP POP non higher
  • 65 or higher rarity 7.9
  • valued at $20K and can be purchased for swag $20,500

1914-D: grade MS65

  • 247,000 made
  • survivors: 9,000 left
  • 65 or better: 30
  • PCGS MS65 15, with 5 higher
  • 65 or higher rarity 8.9
  • valued at $22,500 and can be purchased for swag $19,500.

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    johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    let me add, I'm a collector only not a dealer.

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    JW77JW77 Posts: 464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Too close to call; consider adding a third category for a tie.

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    BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1914-D

    Edited to comment whichever has better eye appeal.

    Q: When does a collector become a numismatist?



    A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.



    A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
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    dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1914-D

    I would get the 1914-D. The half grade ( + ) doesn't really sway me enough to pass up a rarer coin (by a factor of 4), however, eye appeal and strike quality are also major factors for me in considering a purchase.

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    johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1912

    or
    1914-D

    (certs removed since I do not own them)

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1914-D

    Close call, any difference in eye appeal is where I'd go, but given the same eye appeal, the 14-D

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    P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1914-D

    Voted for the ‘14-D based on the text description, but based on the photos, I’d go with the 1912. That spot on the eagle’s wing would bother the heck out of me.

    Nothing is as expensive as free money.

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    dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1914-D

    The 1912 wins visually for sure. It's got a better strike, better color, and as @P0CKETCHANGE pointed out, the small spot on the eagles wing is a bit of a distraction.

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    DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1912

    @johnny010 said:
    1912

    or
    1914-D

    (certs removed since I do not own them)

    Voted 1912 based on these pics.

    Professional Numismatist. "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."

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    alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1912

    1912 based on the pic, otherwise the 1914 is a better value save the spot

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    johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the replies.
    So I’m reading a less rare coin that looks better and is similarly graded and priced might be the way to go now that I added pictures.

    Wondering if that spot could be removed.

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    oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1912

    1912 is my father’s birth year. Have an AU in his birth set, would be a nice upgrade but Indians look nice in 58.

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1914-D

    After seeing the photos, I may have to rethink my choice. The 1912 has some nice color.

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    P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1914-D

    It could be the difference in photography, but the strike also looks better on the 1912. And is that a contact mark on the lower cheek of the ‘14-D? I’d prefer a clean cheek at the gem level, if I had a choice. Color also looks better on the earlier date, although again could be the photography. A few good reasons to consider the ‘12.

    Nothing is as expensive as free money.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,687 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the 12 much better than the 14-D.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy either one.

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    johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    I like the 12 much better than the 14-D.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy either one.

    Thanks for the input on the 12.

    Why wouldn’t you buy either one? ROI I’m assuming…

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    johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1912 face good catch @P0CKETCHANGE

    1914-D face

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny010 said:
    Thanks for the replies.
    So I’m reading a less rare coin that looks better and is similarly graded and priced might be the way to go now that I added pictures.

    Wondering if that spot could be removed.

    Considering that you described yourself as a collector and you’re wondering “if that spot could be removed”, I’d suggest passing on the offending coin, right now. You can always look for other options that don’t raise such questions/concerns for you.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @johnny010 said:
    Thanks for the replies.
    So I’m reading a less rare coin that looks better and is similarly graded and priced might be the way to go now that I added pictures.

    Wondering if that spot could be removed.

    Considering that you described yourself as a collector and you’re wondering “if that spot could be removed”, I’d suggest passing on the offending coin, right now. You can always look for other options that don’t raise such questions/concerns for you.

    No mystery here. I’ve never sent a coin in for restoration. Appreciate the feedback

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,687 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny010 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    I like the 12 much better than the 14-D.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy either one.

    Thanks for the input on the 12.

    Why wouldn’t you buy either one? ROI I’m assuming…

    Yeah. I don't want $20,000 tied up in a non-diversified speculative asset.

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    batumibatumi Posts: 805 ✭✭✭✭
    1914-D

    @MFeld said:

    @johnny010 said:
    Thanks for the replies.
    So I’m reading a less rare coin that looks better and is similarly graded and priced might be the way to go now that I added pictures.

    Wondering if that spot could be removed.

    Considering that you described yourself as a collector and you’re wondering “if that spot could be removed”, I’d suggest passing on the offending coin, right now. You can always look for other options that don’t raise such questions/concerns for you.

    Considering the risk of a down grade, I would also pass, even if fairly certain said spot could successfully be removed. Personally, I like attractive 64's and the huge savings in this series.

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    winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 6, 2023 2:55AM
    1912

    @johnny010 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @johnny010 said:
    Thanks for the replies.
    So I’m reading a less rare coin that looks better and is similarly graded and priced might be the way to go now that I added pictures.

    Wondering if that spot could be removed.

    Considering that you described yourself as a collector and you’re wondering “if that spot could be removed”, I’d suggest passing on the offending coin, right now. You can always look for other options that don’t raise such questions/concerns for you.

    No mystery here. I’ve never sent a coin in for restoration. Appreciate the feedback

    See my reply in a different thread, titled “Double Upgrade?”, where I show real nice success with PCGS Restoration on a Double Eagle. However, I also agree with @MFeld above.

    Separately, I voted for the 1912 before seeing the photos, since I’m a “Grade Whore”, always succumbing to a coin in a higher grade, if it has nicer eye appeal. In this case, I like the fact that as far as grade rarity goes, there are ONLY four at 65+, with NONE higher!

    Steve

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1912 is much nicer. You can't rely on pop reports and or estimated survival.

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    winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1912

    @gumby1234 said:
    The 1912 is much nicer. You can't rely on pop reports and or estimated survival.

    While that’s true in regards to pop numbers that are high might actually be lower, in the case of the 1912, where NONE are finer is apparently accurate, AND with a pop of only four in that grade, if anything, the actual pop could only be lower, if not four!

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,687 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @winesteven said:

    @gumby1234 said:
    The 1912 is much nicer. You can't rely on pop reports and or estimated survival.

    While that’s true in regards to pop numbers that are high might actually be lower, in the case of the 1912, where NONE are finer is apparently accurate, AND with a pop of only four in that grade, if anything, the actual pop could only be lower, if not four!

    Assuming that everything is known and already submitted and in its max holder. If there's a hoard out there, the pop could explode.

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    winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1912

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @winesteven said:

    @gumby1234 said:
    The 1912 is much nicer. You can't rely on pop reports and or estimated survival.

    While that’s true in regards to pop numbers that are high might actually be lower, in the case of the 1912, where NONE are finer is apparently accurate, AND with a pop of only four in that grade, if anything, the actual pop could only be lower, if not four!

    Assuming that everything is known and already submitted and in its max holder. If there's a hoard out there, the pop could explode.

    To avoid me getting banned, I won’t give a comment about my Aunt.

    Steve

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1912

    Well, I like detail on a coin, and the 1912 has finer detail - both sides - so that gets my vote. To spend that much though, I would have to be seeing them in hand prior to commitment. Cheers, RickO

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    winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 6, 2023 4:26AM
    1912

    @ricko said:
    Well, I like detail on a coin, and the 1912 has finer detail - both sides - so that gets my vote. To spend that much though, I would have to be seeing them in hand prior to commitment. Cheers, RickO

    So word is now going around that @ricko likes “Detailed” coins.😂

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1912

    @winesteven ... Obviously, I must learn to parse my words here.... Much like the evaluation of a coin, it seems words are just as closely scrutinized. :D;) Nevermind, I will continue to post as always, and then chuckle at the interpretations as offered. :) Cheers, RickO

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    batumibatumi Posts: 805 ✭✭✭✭
    1914-D

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @winesteven said:

    @gumby1234 said:
    The 1912 is much nicer. You can't rely on pop reports and or estimated survival.

    While that’s true in regards to pop numbers that are high might actually be lower, in the case of the 1912, where NONE are finer is apparently accurate, AND with a pop of only four in that grade, if anything, the actual pop could only be lower, if not four!

    Assuming that everything is known and already submitted and in its max holder. If there's a hoard out there, the pop could explode.

    The hoard of 1912-S found a few years ago comes to mind. I even read about a mini hoard of 1933 double eagles on this forum!

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1914-D

    Even if a hoard was found, seldom do these make the 65 grade, hence the price...

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