@david3142 said:
As I said it’s a very nice coin and I liked it as a 68 but it’s extremely hard to get a gold sticker on any 67. Unless the coin has some standout feature that really makes it scream I just don’t see it happening. I can’t split grading hairs from your photos so I can’t comment too specifically on the merits of your coin but the odds are against it. How likely do you think it is to get a gold?
One thing I just thought about is for this coin there is no incentive to upgrade a 67 to try for a 68 unlike basically every series CAC reviews. That certainly does make it more likely there are 68 coins in 67 holders.
I agree completely with your logic. It’s incredibly difficult to get a gold sticker on any 67. That being said the coin does have a wow amazing look, with incredible luster and zero spots or blemishes, and virtually almost no contact marks. Coin does not look remotely like a 67 in hand. I want a sticker on it for my collection anyway, so I am ok with the extra cost.
Option 2 is go for a regrade at PCGS for a 68+ or 69? What do you think
@Walkerlover It's a really nice IKE, but with all due respect, I would not try getting it CAC'd. Here's why...
There is some slight chatter on Ike's cheek on the obverse. This is what keeps it from being a 68. Compare to @Mr_Spud 's 68 that he posted. A side-by-side comparison is easier to see.
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@david3142 said:
As I said it’s a very nice coin and I liked it as a 68 but it’s extremely hard to get a gold sticker on any 67. Unless the coin has some standout feature that really makes it scream I just don’t see it happening. I can’t split grading hairs from your photos so I can’t comment too specifically on the merits of your coin but the odds are against it. How likely do you think it is to get a gold?
One thing I just thought about is for this coin there is no incentive to upgrade a 67 to try for a 68 unlike basically every series CAC reviews. That certainly does make it more likely there are 68 coins in 67 holders.
I agree completely with your logic. It’s incredibly difficult to get a gold sticker on any 67. That being said the coin does have a wow amazing look, with incredible luster and zero spots or blemishes, and virtually almost no contact marks. Coin does not look remotely like a 67 in hand. I want a sticker on it for my collection anyway, so I am ok with the extra cost.
Option 2 is go for a regrade at PCGS for a 68+ or 69? What do you think
How many 67s, 68s, and 69s have you seen in hand to make that determination? Unless it’s in the hundreds I’d say you are being overly optimistic. That said, I’m glad you are so happy with your coin. It’s a great feeling to really enjoy a new purchase, especially one you feel is exceptional for the grade.
@david3142 said:
As I said it’s a very nice coin and I liked it as a 68 but it’s extremely hard to get a gold sticker on any 67. Unless the coin has some standout feature that really makes it scream I just don’t see it happening. I can’t split grading hairs from your photos so I can’t comment too specifically on the merits of your coin but the odds are against it. How likely do you think it is to get a gold?
One thing I just thought about is for this coin there is no incentive to upgrade a 67 to try for a 68 unlike basically every series CAC reviews. That certainly does make it more likely there are 68 coins in 67 holders.
I agree completely with your logic. It’s incredibly difficult to get a gold sticker on any 67. That being said the coin does have a wow amazing look, with incredible luster and zero spots or blemishes, and virtually almost no contact marks. Coin does not look remotely like a 67 in hand. I want a sticker on it for my collection anyway, so I am ok with the extra cost.
Option 2 is go for a regrade at PCGS for a 68+ or 69? What do you think
How many 67s, 68s, and 69s have you seen in hand to make that determination? Unless it’s in the hundreds I’d say you are being overly optimistic. That said, I’m glad you are so happy with your coin. It’s a great feeling to really enjoy a new purchase, especially one you feel is exceptional for the grade.
Yes you are correct in your opinion. I want a sticker on this coin for my CAC collection so I don’t mind the cost. I will lower my expectations and accept that I will most likely get a green sticker, to avoid a major disappointment. Thanks for your input
Ahhhh
I don’t think that’s what is being said but you are welcome to ignore what extremely knowledgeable people ( not me) have told you. CAC is not something you can expect and you say you wanted a gold sticker? Settling for a green.
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@Jzyskowski1 said:
Ahhhh
I don’t think that’s what is being said but you are welcome to ignore what extremely knowledgeable people ( not me) have told you. CAC is not something you can expect and you say you wanted a gold sticker? Settling for a green.
Please post results. Thanks
We all have our quirks. If he wants a CAC sticker and is willing to invest the time and money, I totally get it.
I have gotten weird about hunting Gold Shield PCGS slabs, which severely limits the actual coins available, but I really like having Trueviews for my Registry sets. I DO buy plenty of non-Gold Shield coins, but when I am hunting for Registry coins for a set, I tend to limit the hunt to the Gold Shield slabs. So, as much as I personally don't care one way or the other about CAC stickers, I totally understand why some people do.
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@Jzyskowski1 said:
Ahhhh
I don’t think that’s what is being said but you are welcome to ignore what extremely knowledgeable people ( not me) have told you. CAC is not something you can expect and you say you wanted a gold sticker? Settling for a green.
Please post results. Thanks
We all have our quirks. If he wants a CAC sticker and is willing to invest the time and money, I totally get it.
I have gotten weird about hunting Gold Shield PCGS slabs, which severely limits the actual coins available, but I really like having Trueviews for my Registry sets. I DO buy plenty of non-Gold Shield coins, but when I am hunting for Registry coins for a set, I tend to limit the hunt to the Gold Shield slabs. So, as much as I personally don't care one way or the other about CAC stickers, I totally understand why some people do.
You can guarantee a gold shield slab if you just send it in again. If you want a CAC sticker it’s often more cost effective just to buy them that way.
@dsessom said: @Walkerlover It's a really nice IKE, but with all due respect, I would not try getting it CAC'd. Here's why...
There is some slight chatter on Ike's cheek on the obverse. This is what keeps it from being a 68. Compare to @Mr_Spud 's 68 that he posted. A side-by-side comparison is easier to see.
Thanks for your keen insight. I went back and reviewed the coin and I do see a minute amount of chatter in that spot in the cheek, good point.
One other thought. Perhaps MR. Spuds coin could plus at PCGS or CACG as a MS 68+ or MS 69. I don’t know if he tried for an upgrade. That would make it a higher MS 68 compared to my coin in the photos you posted
One other thought. Perhaps MR. Spuds coin could plus at PCGS or CACG as a MS 68+ or MS 69. I don’t know if he tried for an upgrade. That would make it a higher MS 68 compared to my coin in the photos you posted
Nah, I won’t try and upgrade it. I like it when my coins look better than the grade assigned, I like them a little bit less when the grade seems maxed out and don’t like them even more when the coins seem overgraded.
10 days ago this poster has no experience buying this series and now suddenly knows enough to second guess PCGS, throw money at CAC and - yet again - not listen to more experienced collectors all-the-while suggesting someone else resubmit their coin for an upgrade. Yeesh.
Yikes this is a very HARSH attack. I need to DEFEND myself.
1) I am not an INEXPERIENCED collector.
2) I have COMPARED many Ike dollars in MS 67-68 from Great Collection archives and EBay listings, plus COUNTLESS hours studying this coin from various angles under good lighting to inform myself.
3) I AM NOT SECOND GUESSING PCGS which I highly RESPECT. MOST HIGHLY RESPECTED FORUM MEMBERS GUESSED MS 68, with SEVERAL AT MS 69 and SOME AT MS67.
4) I EXPLAINED to everyone that I was getting A sticker on this coin as my COLLECTION IS MAINLY CAC, as I didn’t BUY THE COIN FOR AN UPGRADE but photos because it looked AMAZING ON THE SELLERS SITE. I have a RIGHT to “THROW AWAY MY MONEY TO CAC AS I SEE FIT”
5) I CAN COMMENT on another MEMBERS COINS CHANCE FOR AN UPGRADE as even he ADMITS he buys coins that LOOK HIGHER FOR THE GRADE.
10 days ago this poster has no experience buying this series and now suddenly knows enough to second guess PCGS, throw money at CAC and - yet again - not listen to more experienced collectors all-the-while suggesting someone else resubmit their coin for an upgrade. Yeesh.
Here is a PCGS MS 69 True-View Plate coin that has a similar matte lustrous look to my coin that appears to have a few very small abrasions on the lower right portrait. face.
@SPalladino Wow! That was a very thorough, forensic, deep dive into the the manufacture/minting process of the '72 Type 2 Ike! I never knew there were varieties within varieties. The only thing I did know is that there were TWO high relief reverse dies used on the coins.
You would think that these coins would have a superior strike and luster to other Ikes, but it seems the reverse is true. They tend to have softer looking strikes, and TGPs tend to grade them a little more harshly than any other date/mint.
Thank you for all that information! It was very interesting. I have rolls of Ikes in storage. I should go roll hunting this weekend to see what I can find. Thanks again!
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It's a nice coin, but nothing stands out about it.
Consider how many of these were struck. Even all of these years later, tens of thousands exist in high grades, and I'd wager 95% of those have surfaces that look exactly like the OP coin. Most have great luster, clean surfaces, and a pleasing look.
This is why: 1) PCGS rarely gives out pluses to silver blast white Ikes - there are too many of the things to even think about differentiating them.
2) CAC has only gold stickered THREE silver Ikes in their entire time of being in business. It takes something not blast white or some severe under grading to do that. This coin is not that.
In addition, 1) These GTG threads are inherently flawed. It's called GUESS the Grade because that's what we're all doing. No one can tell whether or not that Ike is a 67 or a 68 from images, it's just not going to happen.
2) Therefore, you can't take the guesses of posters and say that those are good enough for PCGS to change their in hand determination of grade. It might be enough for you to decide to send a coin back in, but that won't guarantee an upgrade just like a sticker isn't guaranteed.
Good luck, but I'm doubtful of the chance for an upgrade and I have no idea if it'll sticker. It's certainly more cost beneficial to already buy a coin with a sticker or higher grade if that's what you want. If it is, I'd suggest selling this coin and buy a new one.
@FlyingAl said:
It's a nice coin, but nothing stands out about it.
Consider how many of these were struck. Even all of these years later, tens of thousands exist in high grades, and I'd wager 95% of those have surfaces that look exactly like the OP coin. Most have great luster, clean surfaces, and a pleasing look.
This is why: 1) PCGS rarely gives out pluses to silver blast white Ikes - there are too many of the things to even think about differentiating them.
2) CAC has only gold stickered THREE silver Ikes in their entire time of being in business. It takes something not blast white or some severe under grading to do that. This coin is not that.
In addition, 1) These GTG threads are inherently flawed. It's called GUESS the Grade because that's what we're all doing. No one can tell whether or not that Ike is a 67 or a 68 from images, it's just not going to happen.
2) Therefore, you can't take the guesses of posters and say that those are good enough for PCGS to change their in hand determination of grade. It might be enough for you to decide to send a coin back in, but that won't guarantee an upgrade just like a sticker isn't guaranteed.
Good luck, but I'm doubtful of the chance for an upgrade and I have no idea if it'll sticker. It's certainly more cost beneficial to already buy a coin with a sticker or higher grade if that's what you want. If it is, I'd suggest selling this coin and buy a new one.
Flying Al you make many good points. I think the flat open design of the Ike doesn’t allow for many PCGS big mistakes as it is easier to grade. I think that’s why there is only 3 gold stickers. I have absolutely no intention of selling as I think my coin has so many positives including zero spots and incredible eye appeal.
I don’t mind paying for the sticker and I satisfied in my own mind the coin is of 68 quality. I think I have some small shot at gold but realize in the mind of JA the coin needs to be close to a 69 to make it. Paradoxically if this coin was in a rattler or OGH I think my chances would increase
I also agree that the GTG game is unscientific and difficult from photos but it seems to me the guesses from forum members tend to be on the more conservative side.
Here is a MS 68 that has all the look, great luster eye appeal no spots that seem evident, yet it has more abrasions in the focal area on the face than my coin.
@FlyingAl said:
It's a nice coin, but nothing stands out about it.
Consider how many of these were struck. Even all of these years later, tens of thousands exist in high grades, and I'd wager 95% of those have surfaces that look exactly like the OP coin. Most have great luster, clean surfaces, and a pleasing look.
This is why: 1) PCGS rarely gives out pluses to silver blast white Ikes - there are too many of the things to even think about differentiating them.
I am proud to own this blast white example- truly worthy of PCGS's + grade.
16,600 silver "S" mint Ikes graded. 32 receiving the plus grade.
@Jzyskowski1 said:
Ahhhh
I don’t think that’s what is being said but you are welcome to ignore what extremely knowledgeable people ( not me) have told you. CAC is not something you can expect and you say you wanted a gold sticker? Settling for a green.
Please post results. Thanks
As I wrote before, I think the coin is quite attractive. It also appears to me from the images that it should receive a green CAC sticker if submitted, which has apparently been done. However, and I realize others have gone through this point, CAC has never given a gold sticker to an MS67 Ike. There are currently 2,269 MS Ikes with CAC stickers and the seven (7) gold CAC stickers given top out at MS66. Further, if I recall correctly (and I might not recall correctly) I believe CAC has given out perhaps a dozen gold stickers at the MS67 grade or higher from every series combined. Therefore, a gold sticker at MS67 is a mighty tall order.
Regardless, I see no issue with sending the coin to CAC for evaluation. It looks quite nice in the images, you like the coin and you would like it to have a CAC sticker. It's all good in my opinion.
@TomB Thanks. I guess CAC has something against Roosevelt dimes. They don't accept any, not even 46 to 64. They do all Franklin halves and 32 to 64 Washington quarters. They even do all Ikes 71 to 78 which seems very odd.
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CAC still accepts submissions, they just don't accept that tier of submission. It is my understanding that they were getting too many coins in for their comfort and this was a way to limit submissions.
@TomB said:
As I wrote before, I think the coin is quite attractive. It also appears to me from the images that it should receive a green CAC sticker if submitted, which has apparently been done. However, and I realize others have gone through this point, CAC has never given a gold sticker to an MS67 Ike. There are currently 2,269 MS Ikes with CAC stickers and the seven (7) gold CAC stickers given top out at MS66. Further, if I recall correctly (and I might not recall correctly) I believe CAC has given out perhaps a dozen gold stickers at the MS67 grade or higher from every series combined. Therefore, a gold sticker at MS67 is a mighty tall order.
Regardless, I see no issue with sending the coin to CAC for evaluation. It looks quite nice in the images, you like the coin and you would like it to have a CAC sticker. It's all good in my opinion.
Tom I didn’t realize that CAC has only given out 12 or so gold stickers at 67 for all series. I need to check that out but if you are correct there is almost zero chance to score a gold sticker. I feel good though about my chances of getting at least a green sticker. My only other option would be a regrade at PCGS which only makes sense if I could achieve a MS 68+ grade
Coin received a green sticker. I thought the coin had a realistic chance for Gold so I am disappointed, but happy to add another CAC sticker to my collection.
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I agree completely with your logic. It’s incredibly difficult to get a gold sticker on any 67. That being said the coin does have a wow amazing look, with incredible luster and zero spots or blemishes, and virtually almost no contact marks. Coin does not look remotely like a 67 in hand. I want a sticker on it for my collection anyway, so I am ok with the extra cost.
Option 2 is go for a regrade at PCGS for a 68+ or 69? What do you think
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@Walkerlover It's a really nice IKE, but with all due respect, I would not try getting it CAC'd. Here's why...
There is some slight chatter on Ike's cheek on the obverse. This is what keeps it from being a 68. Compare to @Mr_Spud 's 68 that he posted. A side-by-side comparison is easier to see.
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How many 67s, 68s, and 69s have you seen in hand to make that determination? Unless it’s in the hundreds I’d say you are being overly optimistic. That said, I’m glad you are so happy with your coin. It’s a great feeling to really enjoy a new purchase, especially one you feel is exceptional for the grade.
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Yes you are correct in your opinion. I want a sticker on this coin for my CAC collection so I don’t mind the cost. I will lower my expectations and accept that I will most likely get a green sticker, to avoid a major disappointment. Thanks for your input
Ahhhh
I don’t think that’s what is being said but you are welcome to ignore what extremely knowledgeable people ( not me) have told you. CAC is not something you can expect and you say you wanted a gold sticker? Settling for a green.
Please post results. Thanks
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We all have our quirks. If he wants a CAC sticker and is willing to invest the time and money, I totally get it.
I have gotten weird about hunting Gold Shield PCGS slabs, which severely limits the actual coins available, but I really like having Trueviews for my Registry sets. I DO buy plenty of non-Gold Shield coins, but when I am hunting for Registry coins for a set, I tend to limit the hunt to the Gold Shield slabs. So, as much as I personally don't care one way or the other about CAC stickers, I totally understand why some people do.
Dwayne F. Sessom
Ebay ID: V-Nickel-Coins
You can guarantee a gold shield slab if you just send it in again. If you want a CAC sticker it’s often more cost effective just to buy them that way.
Thanks for your keen insight. I went back and reviewed the coin and I do see a minute amount of chatter in that spot in the cheek, good point.
One other thought. Perhaps MR. Spuds coin could plus at PCGS or CACG as a MS 68+ or MS 69. I don’t know if he tried for an upgrade. That would make it a higher MS 68 compared to my coin in the photos you posted
Nah, I won’t try and upgrade it. I like it when my coins look better than the grade assigned, I like them a little bit less when the grade seems maxed out and don’t like them even more when the coins seem overgraded.
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MS68? I like the matte look
10 days ago this poster has no experience buying this series and now suddenly knows enough to second guess PCGS, throw money at CAC and - yet again - not listen to more experienced collectors all-the-while suggesting someone else resubmit their coin for an upgrade. Yeesh.
On the contrary, Google is not your friend.
Yikes this is a very HARSH attack. I need to DEFEND myself.
1) I am not an INEXPERIENCED collector.
2) I have COMPARED many Ike dollars in MS 67-68 from Great Collection archives and EBay listings, plus COUNTLESS hours studying this coin from various angles under good lighting to inform myself.
3) I AM NOT SECOND GUESSING PCGS which I highly RESPECT. MOST HIGHLY RESPECTED FORUM MEMBERS GUESSED MS 68, with SEVERAL AT MS 69 and SOME AT MS67.
4) I EXPLAINED to everyone that I was getting A sticker on this coin as my COLLECTION IS MAINLY CAC, as I didn’t BUY THE COIN FOR AN UPGRADE but photos because it looked AMAZING ON THE SELLERS SITE. I have a RIGHT to “THROW AWAY MY MONEY TO CAC AS I SEE FIT”
5) I CAN COMMENT on another MEMBERS COINS CHANCE FOR AN UPGRADE as even he ADMITS he buys coins that LOOK HIGHER FOR THE GRADE.
Here is a PCGS MS 69 True-View Plate coin that has a similar matte lustrous look to my coin that appears to have a few very small abrasions on the lower right portrait. face.
Respectfully, his 67 absolutely does not look as good as your 68. Clear differences.
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The OP coin is a nice coin. It appears in all of the photos to be correctly graded as a 67. No gold bean for that one.
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Appears to be a post clash August release. https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQNYA6eX72TC9eFp2mj3XmFZnUVS55b-WpbKCgMXMrnBpuxLwC4MNiX3QJoOeWsNKv5CPKeng7yOdA2/pub
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Here is my MS67.
If you are picky and take your time, these "MS67s" with the appearance of being a better grade, can be located.
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@SPalladino Wow! That was a very thorough, forensic, deep dive into the the manufacture/minting process of the '72 Type 2 Ike! I never knew there were varieties within varieties. The only thing I did know is that there were TWO high relief reverse dies used on the coins.
You would think that these coins would have a superior strike and luster to other Ikes, but it seems the reverse is true. They tend to have softer looking strikes, and TGPs tend to grade them a little more harshly than any other date/mint.
Thank you for all that information! It was very interesting. I have rolls of Ikes in storage. I should go roll hunting this weekend to see what I can find. Thanks again!
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Ebay ID: V-Nickel-Coins
It's a nice coin, but nothing stands out about it.
Consider how many of these were struck. Even all of these years later, tens of thousands exist in high grades, and I'd wager 95% of those have surfaces that look exactly like the OP coin. Most have great luster, clean surfaces, and a pleasing look.
This is why:
1) PCGS rarely gives out pluses to silver blast white Ikes - there are too many of the things to even think about differentiating them.
2) CAC has only gold stickered THREE silver Ikes in their entire time of being in business. It takes something not blast white or some severe under grading to do that. This coin is not that.
In addition,
1) These GTG threads are inherently flawed. It's called GUESS the Grade because that's what we're all doing. No one can tell whether or not that Ike is a 67 or a 68 from images, it's just not going to happen.
2) Therefore, you can't take the guesses of posters and say that those are good enough for PCGS to change their in hand determination of grade. It might be enough for you to decide to send a coin back in, but that won't guarantee an upgrade just like a sticker isn't guaranteed.
Good luck, but I'm doubtful of the chance for an upgrade and I have no idea if it'll sticker. It's certainly more cost beneficial to already buy a coin with a sticker or higher grade if that's what you want. If it is, I'd suggest selling this coin and buy a new one.
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Flying Al you make many good points. I think the flat open design of the Ike doesn’t allow for many PCGS big mistakes as it is easier to grade. I think that’s why there is only 3 gold stickers. I have absolutely no intention of selling as I think my coin has so many positives including zero spots and incredible eye appeal.
I don’t mind paying for the sticker and I satisfied in my own mind the coin is of 68 quality. I think I have some small shot at gold but realize in the mind of JA the coin needs to be close to a 69 to make it. Paradoxically if this coin was in a rattler or OGH I think my chances would increase
I also agree that the GTG game is unscientific and difficult from photos but it seems to me the guesses from forum members tend to be on the more conservative side.
Here is a MS 68 that has all the look, great luster eye appeal no spots that seem evident, yet it has more abrasions in the focal area on the face than my coin.
I am proud to own this blast white example- truly worthy of PCGS's + grade.
16,600 silver "S" mint Ikes graded. 32 receiving the plus grade.
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Coin sent to CAC will post soon stay tuned
As I wrote before, I think the coin is quite attractive. It also appears to me from the images that it should receive a green CAC sticker if submitted, which has apparently been done. However, and I realize others have gone through this point, CAC has never given a gold sticker to an MS67 Ike. There are currently 2,269 MS Ikes with CAC stickers and the seven (7) gold CAC stickers given top out at MS66. Further, if I recall correctly (and I might not recall correctly) I believe CAC has given out perhaps a dozen gold stickers at the MS67 grade or higher from every series combined. Therefore, a gold sticker at MS67 is a mighty tall order.
Regardless, I see no issue with sending the coin to CAC for evaluation. It looks quite nice in the images, you like the coin and you would like it to have a CAC sticker. It's all good in my opinion.
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I thought CAC didn't sticker modern coins. I must be mistaken obviously.
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For post-1964 coinage they accept all Ikes and some Lincoln cent doubled dies. The list of what CAC accepts is found on their homepage-
https://www.caccoin.com
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@TomB Thanks. I guess CAC has something against Roosevelt dimes. They don't accept any, not even 46 to 64. They do all Franklin halves and 32 to 64 Washington quarters. They even do all Ikes 71 to 78 which seems very odd.
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CAC is taking regular tier submissions now?
Nevermind.
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That notice is from last year, when they suspended the regular tier. Hasn't been updated since.
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CAC still accepts submissions, they just don't accept that tier of submission. It is my understanding that they were getting too many coins in for their comfort and this was a way to limit submissions.
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Tom I didn’t realize that CAC has only given out 12 or so gold stickers at 67 for all series. I need to check that out but if you are correct there is almost zero chance to score a gold sticker. I feel good though about my chances of getting at least a green sticker. My only other option would be a regrade at PCGS which only makes sense if I could achieve a MS 68+ grade
Coin received a green sticker. I thought the coin had a realistic chance for Gold so I am disappointed, but happy to add another CAC sticker to my collection.
Green was the consensus and seems correct to me, congrats.
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