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Lamar Jackson has requested a trade

craig44craig44 Posts: 10,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

He said the two sides seem as though they will not be able to get together on a contract value

George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2023 11:24AM

    What exactly is the point of having the franchise tag if players expect to force their way out when they can’t obtain a contract they like? And what sense does a trade make in this situation? Anyone who wants to back up the Brinks truck for Lamar can do that for two first round picks, and I can’t see the Ravens trading him for less than that.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why would anyone want to take him on knowing that he is going to want a massive contract?

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2023 12:05PM
  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is Lamar Jackson's official statement on Twitter.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2023 12:50PM

    @PaulMaul said:
    What exactly is the point of having the franchise tag if players expect to force their way out when they can’t obtain a contract they like? And what sense does a trade make in this situation? Anyone who wants to back up the Brinks truck for Lamar can do that for two first round picks, and I can’t see the Ravens trading him for less than that.

    Just because a player requests a trade doesnt mean a team has to or will trade him. Hed face fines if he doesnt play under the franchise tag. However this is just the consequences of not having guaranteed contracts. Unless the nfl moves to guaranteed contracts holdouts will continue

  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wake me up in September. Lol.

  • DarinDarin Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why doesn’t Lamar guarantee the Ravens he won’t get hurt if he wants
    a guarantee that he’ll get paid.
    The Ravens should have cut him loose long ago.
    Get a real job in blue collar America and find out how many guarantee’s you get Mr. Jackson.
    Cry me a river spoiled athlete 😭

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:
    Why doesn’t Lamar guarantee the Ravens he won’t get hurt if he wants
    a guarantee that he’ll get paid.
    The Ravens should have cut him loose long ago.
    Get a real job in blue collar America and find out how many guarantee’s you get Mr. Jackson.
    Cry me a river spoiled athlete 😭

    Thew inverse of that would be why dont you get a job as a pro athlete? Calling elite athletes spoiled for wanting their value is one of the worst fan arguments of all time. Yes they make more, they bring more value and are the elite of the elite making organizations a ton of money. Have you ever gotten a raise or would that be spoiled too?

  • DarinDarin Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @Darin said:
    Why doesn’t Lamar guarantee the Ravens he won’t get hurt if he wants
    a guarantee that he’ll get paid.
    The Ravens should have cut him loose long ago.
    Get a real job in blue collar America and find out how many guarantee’s you get Mr. Jackson.
    Cry me a river spoiled athlete 😭

    Thew inverse of that would be why dont you get a job as a pro athlete? Calling elite athletes spoiled for wanting their value is one of the worst fan arguments of all time. Yes they make more, they bring more value and are the elite of the elite making organizations a ton of money. Have you ever gotten a raise or would that be spoiled too?

    You missed the point. If I get hurt and miss work my employer doesn’t continue to pay me. I may have insurance or be able to get workers comp. And yes my job is probably more dangerous than Lamar’s I’ve gotten hurt several times but never missed significant time. Except when I had prostate cancer and had it removed. But I sure didn’t get any company paychecks when I was out.

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @Darin said:
    Why doesn’t Lamar guarantee the Ravens he won’t get hurt if he wants
    a guarantee that he’ll get paid.
    The Ravens should have cut him loose long ago.
    Get a real job in blue collar America and find out how many guarantee’s you get Mr. Jackson.
    Cry me a river spoiled athlete 😭

    Thew inverse of that would be why dont you get a job as a pro athlete? Calling elite athletes spoiled for wanting their value is one of the worst fan arguments of all time. Yes they make more, they bring more value and are the elite of the elite making organizations a ton of money. Have you ever gotten a raise or would that be spoiled too?

    You missed the point. If I get hurt and miss work my employer doesn’t continue to pay me. I may have insurance or be able to get workers comp. And yes my job is probably more dangerous than Lamar’s I’ve gotten hurt several times but never missed significant time. Except when I had prostate cancer and had it removed. But I sure didn’t get any company paychecks when I was out.

    You missed the other point though. How many people can be an NFL QB, do you bring in as much money as he does? The answer is no and theres what maybe 200 people that could even be an okay NFL QB in a multibillion dollar industry. Saying just take whatever is offered or get a different job is just saying I want the owners to make more money. Not trying to knock you or what you do but the fact is the NFL is the worlds most valuable singular league and if you were 25 and someone told you we arent going to give you what your worth just take it and like it well I have a hard time believing the reaction would be the same.

    To look at it another way, the fact you didnt get paycheck while you were out is what players are trying to change. The teams still make the money, why should the players which are the product not get paid for their value

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2023 7:50PM

    @Basebal21 said:

    @Darin said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @Darin said:
    Why doesn’t Lamar guarantee the Ravens he won’t get hurt if he wants
    a guarantee that he’ll get paid.
    The Ravens should have cut him loose long ago.
    Get a real job in blue collar America and find out how many guarantee’s you get Mr. Jackson.
    Cry me a river spoiled athlete 😭

    Thew inverse of that would be why dont you get a job as a pro athlete? Calling elite athletes spoiled for wanting their value is one of the worst fan arguments of all time. Yes they make more, they bring more value and are the elite of the elite making organizations a ton of money. Have you ever gotten a raise or would that be spoiled too?

    You missed the point. If I get hurt and miss work my employer doesn’t continue to pay me. I may have insurance or be able to get workers comp. And yes my job is probably more dangerous than Lamar’s I’ve gotten hurt several times but never missed significant time. Except when I had prostate cancer and had it removed. But I sure didn’t get any company paychecks when I was out.

    You missed the other point though. How many people can be an NFL QB, do you bring in as much money as he does? The answer is no and theres what maybe 200 people that could even be an okay NFL QB in a multibillion dollar industry. Saying just take whatever is offered or get a different job is just saying I want the owners to make more money. Not trying to knock you or what you do but the fact is the NFL is the worlds most valuable singular league and if you were 25 and someone told you we arent going to give you what your worth just take it and like it well I have a hard time believing the reaction would be the same.

    To look at it another way, the fact you didnt get paycheck while you were out is what players are trying to change. The teams still make the money, why should the players which are the product not get paid for their value

    I agree with this. We are a capitalist society and each individual should be free to maximize his or her salary or compensation package based on his (or her) value for performing the duties of said profession. That said, I'm not particularly a Jackson fan (though he is unquestionably a remarkable athlete) nor are the Ravens obliged to trade him but I certainly don't begrudge him making an effort to receive what he considers a fair salary from the Ravens. The market will determine whether his demands are realistic or not. NFL owners are in this business primarily to make money and their decisions are guided by that objective (and hopefully) by winning NFL games.



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  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As I've said before, the argument that these athletes are just earning what they are worth in a capitalist system, or that the owners are, etc, is no longer valid. I've talked about this here recently. You cannot tell me that it is a fair, level system complete with competition and so much more. It's not. I understand the talking points on both sides. This is just my opinion.

  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have seen several former players on ESPN this morning implying that if Lamar’s contract demands aren’t met that he wouldn’t give full effort on the field, and might stay out of games with insignificant injuries. This kind of talk is poisonous because it short circuits a fair bargaining process. It’s akin to a team saying that if we have to give you a raise due to arbitration, we might stop letting you use our training staff or give you substandard care.

    It’s not clear what the Ravens are supposed to do. The only way another team gets Lamar is by backing up the Brinks truck AND giving up multiple first round picks, whether that’s through a trade or the non exclusive tag. It’s very possible no team will be willing to do that. Are the Ravens then expected to just give him what they feel is an exorbitant contract just so he isn’t disgruntled and a team cancer? Doesn’t sound reasonable to me.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    playing lackluster as a bargaining chip is no good. Lamar either needs to hold out or give it 100%. I dont mind a player fighting for what he thinks he is worth, but playing poorly on purpose is not fair to anyone else.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • DarinDarin Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @Darin said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @Darin said:
    Why doesn’t Lamar guarantee the Ravens he won’t get hurt if he wants
    a guarantee that he’ll get paid.
    The Ravens should have cut him loose long ago.
    Get a real job in blue collar America and find out how many guarantee’s you get Mr. Jackson.
    Cry me a river spoiled athlete 😭

    Thew inverse of that would be why dont you get a job as a pro athlete? Calling elite athletes spoiled for wanting their value is one of the worst fan arguments of all time. Yes they make more, they bring more value and are the elite of the elite making organizations a ton of money. Have you ever gotten a raise or would that be spoiled too?

    You missed the point. If I get hurt and miss work my employer doesn’t continue to pay me. I may have insurance or be able to get workers comp. And yes my job is probably more dangerous than Lamar’s I’ve gotten hurt several times but never missed significant time. Except when I had prostate cancer and had it removed. But I sure didn’t get any company paychecks when I was out.

    You missed the other point though. How many people can be an NFL QB, do you bring in as much money as he does? The answer is no and theres what maybe 200 people that could even be an okay NFL QB in a multibillion dollar industry. Saying just take whatever is offered or get a different job is just saying I want the owners to make more money. Not trying to knock you or what you do but the fact is the NFL is the worlds most valuable singular league and if you were 25 and someone told you we arent going to give you what your worth just take it and like it well I have a hard time believing the reaction would be the same.

    To look at it another way, the fact you didnt get paycheck while you were out is what players are trying to change. The teams still make the money, why should the players which are the product not get paid for their value

    To be clear, I’m against guaranteed contracts. A person should work for their money, not have it given to them whether they work or not.
    I didn’t deserve to get paid when I was in the hospital and players shouldn’t be getting guaranteed money when they’re injured.

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  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭✭

    I have seen several former players on ESPN this morning implying that if Lamar’s contract demands aren’t met that he wouldn’t give full effort on the field, and might stay out of games with insignificant injuries. This kind of talk is poisonous because it short circuits a fair bargaining process. It’s akin to a team saying that if we have to give you a raise due to arbitration, we might stop letting you use our training staff or give you substandard care.

    No more poisonous than teams not playing healthy starters at the end of the year because they have injury guarantees in their contract.

    Robb

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 8,192 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So it’s getting reported all over here in NE that Bob Kraft said publicly at the owners meetings that his buddy Meek Mill sent him a text telling him Lamar Jackson wants to be a Patriot. Kraft goes on to say I’ll leave that up to Bill.
    Just say no,Bill.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No Vote on Lamar Jax here as well

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How would you feel if you gave up 2 first round picks, gave him a gigantic contract, and he hurt a knee?
    The guy is a tremendous athlete, but what does he bring you if he can't run?

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭✭

    @PaulMaul said:
    I have seen several former players on ESPN this morning implying that if Lamar’s contract demands aren’t met that he wouldn’t give full effort on the field, and might stay out of games with insignificant injuries. This kind of talk is poisonous because it short circuits a fair bargaining process. It’s akin to a team saying that if we have to give you a raise due to arbitration, we might stop letting you use our training staff or give you substandard care.

    It’s not clear what the Ravens are supposed to do. The only way another team gets Lamar is by backing up the Brinks truck AND giving up multiple first round picks, whether that’s through a trade or the non exclusive tag. It’s very possible no team will be willing to do that. Are the Ravens then expected to just give him what they feel is an exorbitant contract just so he isn’t disgruntled and a team cancer? Doesn’t sound reasonable to me.

    ESPN says things for clickbait. They also say controversial things so their their other shows can discuss it creating their own news cycle to fill time slots.

    Not trying is how you get hurt and just costs you money in the long run. Would he play through injuries maybe, maybe not, but if hes on the field hes going to be trying.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:
    How would you feel if you gave up 2 first round picks, gave him a gigantic contract, and he hurt a knee?
    The guy is a tremendous athlete, but what does he bring you if he can't run?

    Thats like saying dont have the #1 draft pick overall because they could get hurt. If a player passes the physical the question is just are they worth the cost. Any player can get hurt at any time.

  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,243 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We can argue this until September. The cold hard truth is Jackson thinks he’s worth more than any team, even the Ravens, think he’s worth. Doesn’t matter what we think, it matters no one is paying him.

    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 28, 2023 3:45PM

    @craig44 said:
    playing lackluster as a bargaining chip is no good. Lamar either needs to hold out or give it 100%. I dont mind a player fighting for what he thinks he is worth, but playing poorly on purpose is not fair to anyone else.

    There's zero chance he wont provide maximum effort if he plays. These guys have personal pride and cant play any other way. It's why to succeeded at the top level to start with.

    I can see him either holding out or sucking it up and playing under franchise tag but not playing at 100% I cannot foresee.



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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    How would you feel if you gave up 2 first round picks, gave him a gigantic contract, and he hurt a knee?
    The guy is a tremendous athlete, but what does he bring you if he can't run?

    Thats like saying dont have the #1 draft pick overall because they could get hurt. If a player passes the physical the question is just are they worth the cost. Any player can get hurt at any time.

    Unusual (and confusing) comment. Has nothing to do with the question.
    Quarterbacks who have a higher value running than passing, careers come to a quick end when they hurt their knees.
    See Duante Culpepper and RGIII.

    Giving up two #1s and then committing $50(?)M to a quarterback becomes a crippling problem to a team if the guy blows up a knee and becomes an average (or worse) pocket passer when he can't run anymore.
    From what I see, his passing abilities are not great.

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭✭

    @2dueces said:
    We can argue this until September. The cold hard truth is Jackson thinks he’s worth more than any team, even the Ravens, think he’s worth. Doesn’t matter what we think, it matters no one is paying him.

    Thats not entirely true. There are teams that would pay him, they just dont want to give up two number 1 draft picks to do so. If he was an actual free agent hed get signed

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @grote15 said:

    @craig44 said:
    playing lackluster as a bargaining chip is no good. Lamar either needs to hold out or give it 100%. I dont mind a player fighting for what he thinks he is worth, but playing poorly on purpose is not fair to anyone else.

    There's zero chance he wont provide maximum effort if he plays. These guys have personal pride and cant play any other way. It's why to succeeded at the top level to start with.

    I can see him either holding out or sucking it up and playing under franchise tag but not playing at 100% I cannot foresee.

    I am not sure. I dont know much about lamars character. I do know that some pro players will play lackluster to get what they want. Gary Sheffield did this when he wanted to be traded from the Brewers

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 28, 2023 4:16PM

    @craig44 said:

    @grote15 said:

    @craig44 said:
    playing lackluster as a bargaining chip is no good. Lamar either needs to hold out or give it 100%. I dont mind a player fighting for what he thinks he is worth, but playing poorly on purpose is not fair to anyone else.

    There's zero chance he wont provide maximum effort if he plays. These guys have personal pride and cant play any other way. It's why to succeeded at the top level to start with.

    I can see him either holding out or sucking it up and playing under franchise tag but not playing at 100% I cannot foresee.

    I am not sure. I dont know much about lamars character. I do know that some pro players will play lackluster to get what they want. Gary Sheffield did this when he wanted to be traded from the Brewers

    Football is not a sport you can go halfway on. Doing so is almost a surefire way to get seriously hurt, especially for a player who relies on his mobility like Lamar does.



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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @grote15 said:

    @craig44 said:

    @grote15 said:

    @craig44 said:
    playing lackluster as a bargaining chip is no good. Lamar either needs to hold out or give it 100%. I dont mind a player fighting for what he thinks he is worth, but playing poorly on purpose is not fair to anyone else.

    There's zero chance he wont provide maximum effort if he plays. These guys have personal pride and cant play any other way. It's why to succeeded at the top level to start with.

    I can see him either holding out or sucking it up and playing under franchise tag but not playing at 100% I cannot foresee.

    I am not sure. I dont know much about lamars character. I do know that some pro players will play lackluster to get what they want. Gary Sheffield did this when he wanted to be traded from the Brewers

    Football is not a sport you can go halfway on. Doing so is almost a surefire way to get seriously hurt, especially for a player who relies on his mobility like Lamar does.

    Maybe so, but only playing when you’re 110% healthy is another possible strategy.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Falcons owner Arthur Blank spoke today about going after Deshaun Watson last season and why the Falcons seemingly aren't interested in pursuing Lamar Jackson.

    Falcons owner Arthur Blank said Tuesday Lamar Jackson's situation is “very different” from Deshaun Watson's last year. “Different player, different time. You have a winner (in Jackson), a MVP in the league. There’s no question he's one of the top quarterbacks in the league."

    More Blank on Jackson: “Looking at it objectively I’d say there’s some concern over how long can he play his style of game. Hopefully a long time ..., but he’s missed 5, 6 games each of the last two years. Each game counts a lot in our business.”

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PaulMaul said:

    @grote15 said:

    @craig44 said:

    @grote15 said:

    @craig44 said:
    playing lackluster as a bargaining chip is no good. Lamar either needs to hold out or give it 100%. I dont mind a player fighting for what he thinks he is worth, but playing poorly on purpose is not fair to anyone else.

    There's zero chance he wont provide maximum effort if he plays. These guys have personal pride and cant play any other way. It's why to succeeded at the top level to start with.

    I can see him either holding out or sucking it up and playing under franchise tag but not playing at 100% I cannot foresee.

    I am not sure. I dont know much about lamars character. I do know that some pro players will play lackluster to get what they want. Gary Sheffield did this when he wanted to be traded from the Brewers

    Football is not a sport you can go halfway on. Doing so is almost a surefire way to get seriously hurt, especially for a player who relies on his mobility like Lamar does.

    Maybe so, but only playing when you’re 110% healthy is another possible strategy.

    I can see him holding out rather then mailing it in like Leveon Bell a few years ago.

    IMO a lot of this is posturing, too, and it doesnt work if the Ravens dont feel any pressure to trade or sign him to a contract.

    Whether it works or not, remains to be seen.



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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,458 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 29, 2023 3:24AM

    He will get paid somehow somewhere but I think he is going to have to settle for less than Watson, as soon as he comes to grips with that the sooner he will get paid.

    Again I do not want him in New England if that chatter comes up again

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 28, 2023 6:24PM

    @doubledragon said:
    Falcons owner Arthur Blank spoke today about going after Deshaun Watson last season and why the Falcons seemingly aren't interested in pursuing Lamar Jackson.

    Falcons owner Arthur Blank said Tuesday Lamar Jackson's situation is “very different” from Deshaun Watson's last year. “Different player, different time. You have a winner (in Jackson), a MVP in the league. There’s no question he's one of the top quarterbacks in the league."

    More Blank on Jackson: “Looking at it objectively I’d say there’s some concern over how long can he play his style of game. Hopefully a long time ..., but he’s missed 5, 6 games each of the last two years. Each game counts a lot in our business.”

    Falcons were 7-10 and couldnt even win a division where no team finished above .500. The picks are the issue which wouldnt make any sense for them to give up given the position they're in. The Browns definitely overpaid trade wise for Watson doing Browns things thinking all they were missing was a QB. That turned out not to be the case. I wouldnt trade two firsts for Jackson either, but if he was a free agent these teams would be responding much differently

  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Imagine the storyline/narrative if he came to NE.

    The QB, who feels disrespected. Waits for his deal, that he thinks proves his value, will he then live up to his pay?

    The HC, currently losing his luster in the GOAT debate. Waiting around to get the wins record, but will he rise again?

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thisistheshow said:
    Imagine the storyline/narrative if he came to NE.

    The QB, who feels disrespected. Waits for his deal, that he thinks proves his value, will he then live up to his pay?

    The HC, currently losing his luster in the GOAT debate. Waiting around to get the wins record, but will he rise again?

    Don't worry about Lamar Jackson, no sir, what you guys need in New England is a familiar face, an old friend. Luckily for you, his services appear to be available.

    https://firstsportz.com/nfl-news-cam-newton-disses-the-current-breed-of-nfl-qbs/

  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,243 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    @2dueces said:
    We can argue this until September. The cold hard truth is Jackson thinks he’s worth more than any team, even the Ravens, think he’s worth. Doesn’t matter what we think, it matters no one is paying him.

    Thats not entirely true. There are teams that would pay him, they just dont want to give up two number 1 draft picks to do so. If he was an actual free agent hed get signed

    And you proved my point. He’s not worth the asking price

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:

    @thisistheshow said:
    Imagine the storyline/narrative if he came to NE.

    The QB, who feels disrespected. Waits for his deal, that he thinks proves his value, will he then live up to his pay?

    The HC, currently losing his luster in the GOAT debate. Waiting around to get the wins record, but will he rise again?

    Don't worry about Lamar Jackson, no sir, what you guys need in New England is a familiar face, an old friend. Luckily for you, his services appear to be available.

    https://firstsportz.com/nfl-news-cam-newton-disses-the-current-breed-of-nfl-qbs/

    NO NO NO. I forbid this type of talk in here.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    >

    Thats not entirely true. There are teams that would pay him, they just dont want to give up two number 1 draft picks to do so. If he was an actual free agent hed get signed

    >
    >
    >
    Giving a team two #1 picks IS PAYING!
    He's not a free agent.

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  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @doubledragon said:

    @thisistheshow said:
    Imagine the storyline/narrative if he came to NE.

    The QB, who feels disrespected. Waits for his deal, that he thinks proves his value, will he then live up to his pay?

    The HC, currently losing his luster in the GOAT debate. Waiting around to get the wins record, but will he rise again?

    Don't worry about Lamar Jackson, no sir, what you guys need in New England is a familiar face, an old friend. Luckily for you, his services appear to be available.

    https://firstsportz.com/nfl-news-cam-newton-disses-the-current-breed-of-nfl-qbs/

    NO NO NO. I forbid this type of talk in here.

    ...
    In case you are worried, he isn't coming to NE. 😂

  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    >

    Thats not entirely true. There are teams that would pay him, they just dont want to give up two number 1 draft picks to do so. If he was an actual free agent hed get signed

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    >
    >
    Giving a team two #1 picks IS PAYING!
    He's not a free agent.

    .....
    A few years ago Jackson's stock was very high. Since then a few things have happened. Questioned have arisen about his value. Also, teams have made some big mistakes over paying QBs and giving up too much for them. At the same time, we've seen teams like the Rams and the Bucs trade for a QB and then win the SB right away.

    Fans want that one SB win or chance to win. But I'm hearing more and more talk from teams, talking heads, and fans about the risk vs reward of going "all in".

  • spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:
    Why doesn’t Lamar guarantee the Ravens he won’t get hurt if he wants
    a guarantee that he’ll get paid.
    The Ravens should have cut him loose long ago.
    Get a real job in blue collar America and find out how many guarantee’s you get Mr. Jackson.
    Cry me a river spoiled athlete 😭

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thisistheshow said:

    @craig44 said:

    @doubledragon said:

    @thisistheshow said:
    Imagine the storyline/narrative if he came to NE.

    The QB, who feels disrespected. Waits for his deal, that he thinks proves his value, will he then live up to his pay?

    The HC, currently losing his luster in the GOAT debate. Waiting around to get the wins record, but will he rise again?

    Don't worry about Lamar Jackson, no sir, what you guys need in New England is a familiar face, an old friend. Luckily for you, his services appear to be available.

    https://firstsportz.com/nfl-news-cam-newton-disses-the-current-breed-of-nfl-qbs/

    NO NO NO. I forbid this type of talk in here.

    ...
    In case you are worried, he isn't coming to NE. 😂

    I am worried. this is the type of stuff that keeps me up at night. cold sweats and all.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @thisistheshow said:

    @craig44 said:

    @doubledragon said:

    @thisistheshow said:
    Imagine the storyline/narrative if he came to NE.

    The QB, who feels disrespected. Waits for his deal, that he thinks proves his value, will he then live up to his pay?

    The HC, currently losing his luster in the GOAT debate. Waiting around to get the wins record, but will he rise again?

    Don't worry about Lamar Jackson, no sir, what you guys need in New England is a familiar face, an old friend. Luckily for you, his services appear to be available.

    https://firstsportz.com/nfl-news-cam-newton-disses-the-current-breed-of-nfl-qbs/

    NO NO NO. I forbid this type of talk in here.

    ...
    In case you are worried, he isn't coming to NE. 😂

    I am worried. this is the type of stuff that keeps me up at night. cold sweats and all.

    Rest easy, my friend. This was all just click bait, and a lot of it came from Bob Kraft himself. It's not happening.

    Nighty night Craig. Sweet dreams 💤😴💤😴

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @doubledragon said:

    @thisistheshow said:
    Imagine the storyline/narrative if he came to NE.

    The QB, who feels disrespected. Waits for his deal, that he thinks proves his value, will he then live up to his pay?

    The HC, currently losing his luster in the GOAT debate. Waiting around to get the wins record, but will he rise again?

    Don't worry about Lamar Jackson, no sir, what you guys need in New England is a familiar face, an old friend. Luckily for you, his services appear to be available.

    https://firstsportz.com/nfl-news-cam-newton-disses-the-current-breed-of-nfl-qbs/

    NO NO NO. I forbid this type of talk in here.

    I can sympathize with you, just the thought of him in a Panthers uniform again is enough to give me nightmares!

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,473 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 29, 2023 1:51PM

    Don’t the door hit ya where the good lord split ya, Lamar. Send him to the Jets. They are always looking for reclamation, experimental players.

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭✭

    @2dueces said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    @2dueces said:
    We can argue this until September. The cold hard truth is Jackson thinks he’s worth more than any team, even the Ravens, think he’s worth. Doesn’t matter what we think, it matters no one is paying him.

    Thats not entirely true. There are teams that would pay him, they just dont want to give up two number 1 draft picks to do so. If he was an actual free agent hed get signed

    And you proved my point. He’s not worth the asking price

    Very few players are worth two first rounders. This is especially true at the moment with what should be a loaded QB class coming to the draft next year

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