New 2007-P Washington Dollar Variety?

Steven59

An interesting variety - Has anyone seen this video, heard of this coin or found one?

Check out this Youtube Video: (Don't let the guy's voice put you to sleep though! )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNsCkyPIgo0

MWallace

@OAKSTAR will surely chime in soon.

MarkKelley

Heard of it and saw photos in Coin World a while back.

Steven59

I was just wondering if they were collectible or not. I have a few unopened 2007 rolls and would it be worth it to open them up or just forget about it.

MWallace

smalldollars.com/dollar/page42.html

MWallace

OAKSTAR

@Steven59-

Yes, I recently noticed this video as well. I think they did a pretty good job with it. Interest in this coin has increased lately. Over the years, there has been some disagreement amongst those in the error and variety community.

In years/months past, there have been a few articles written about it with no definitive conclusion.... Until recently.

The coin is believed to have come from the same working die. The die was (for whatever reason) altered. Similar to the extra leaves on the two Wisconsin quarters but this can't be proven.

It looks as though each of the TPG'ers (at least tentatively) have now recognized it as a new variety with the anticipation of it being recognized in the Cherrypicker's Guide with an FS designator. I'll post some articles I've found.

OAKSTAR

@Steven59 said:
I was just wondering if they were collectible or not. I have a few unopened 2007 rolls and would it be worth it to open them up or just forget about it.

I wouldn't forget about it but if you open them, let us know what you find.

Steven59

@OAKSTAR said:
In years/months past, there have been a few articles written about it with no definitive conclusion.... Until recently.

The coin is believed to have come from the same working die. The die was (for whatever reason) altered.

Was wondering on how this actually happened. It looks so good I thought it may be some kind of die alteration instead of a gouge or wear.

OAKSTAR

OAKSTAR

@Steven59 said:

@OAKSTAR said:
In years/months past, there have been a few articles written about it with no definitive conclusion.... Until recently.

The coin is believed to have come from the same working die. The die was (for whatever reason) altered.

Was wondering on how this actually happened. It looks so good I thought it may be some kind of die alteration instead of a gouge or wear.

It was initially thought to be a die gouge. It's now believed to be an intentional die alteration. And skillfully done!

OAKSTAR

Steven59

So did the lack of interest for the Dollar coin cause the mint to create something that would grab the coin collectors attention?

OAKSTAR

@Steven59 said:
So did the lack of interest for the Dollar coin cause the mint to create something that would grab the coin collectors attention?

Well, that theory is interesting but I don't think so. But who knows, maybe it was. It's the best explanation I've heard! 😂 👍🏻

MWallace

@OAKSTAR said:

@Steven59 said:
So did the lack of interest for the Dollar coin cause the mint to create something that would grab the coin collectors attention?

Well, that theory is interesting but I don't think so. But who knows, maybe it was. It's the best explanation I've heard! 😂 👍🏻

Generally the mint doesn't strike coins for circulation in hopes that collectors will pull them from circulation.

OAKSTAR

ricko

Interesting issue... Sure looks like a professional modification.. no indication of an accidental die gouge. Cheers, RickO

MWallace

It's a well documented variety that has been examined, thanks to @OAKSTAR , by several well known variety specialist in the hobby. Worth looking for.

OAKSTAR

@MWallace said:
It's a well documented variety that has been examined, thanks to @OAKSTAR , by several well known variety specialist in the hobby. Worth looking for.

Thanks @MWallace! This is what makes this hobby enjoyable. Running this sort of thing to ground, learning along the way and sharing the knowledge.

That's a stunning long ray you have there by the way!! A Plus!! 👍🏻 👍🏻

CaptHenway

@Steven59 said:

@OAKSTAR said:
In years/months past, there have been a few articles written about it with no definitive conclusion.... Until recently.

The coin is believed to have come from the same working die. The die was (for whatever reason) altered.

Was wondering on how this actually happened. It looks so good I thought it may be some kind of die alteration instead of a gouge or wear.

I have studied these under a microscope. I am convinced that the die was deliberately and carefully tooled to elongate the ray within the Mint. Why, I do not know.
TD

Kurisu

Haven't spotted one yet...I regularly do quite a few small dollars.

joeykoins

Nice catch and a great informer.
OAKSTAR,
Do you work for the Government?

OAKSTAR

@joeykoins said:
Nice catch and a great informer.
OAKSTAR,
Do you work for the Government?

Yes, the Mint! 😂 🤣

OAKSTAR

@CaptHenway is convinced the die was deliberately altered and carefully tooled to elongate the ray within the Mint. I'm not exactly sure of the career job title of the individual who performed this task......An engraver?

Wouldn't there be records, logs or regulations in place to document the modification of a working anvil die?... Or are there just to many functions/moving parts at the mint during production to account and document everything? If this die was carefully and skillfully tooled, wouldn't that process take some time?

I'm just speculating but I can't believe there would be more then one or two guys (probably just one go-to guy) that had the skill, time and opportunity to do this. I'm thinking it would be a very small group of guys that would know exactly "WHO" in the mint performed this task or function.

If Mint Management looked at this coin and sent it to the production guys to look at, there's no doubt in my mind they would say: Oh yeah, this is Bob's or Jim's work! Bob did this, it's quality craftsmanship! It's got his skill set signature all over it!!

So if Treasury or Mint personal are within the sound of my voice and monitoring this forum, could you please forward this to the right person for action? We sure would like to hear from you.

Very respectfully,
OAKSTAR

OAKSTAR

I'm wondering if Mr. Menna would know, have any in sight or be curious about this since he engraved the coin. He's currently the Mint's Chief Engraver. I think I'll write him a letter and find out.