1908 Indian One Cent Variety
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I purchased this coin because I thought it was beautiful, original and straight up cool.
I finally took some time to look it over.
It turns out that it's a very scarce variety.
I'm still working out which variety it is but I'm getting close.
I wanted to post it here because I have no doubt someone here will know which variety it is. This coin I think I will have graded. It looks to be a pretty high grade. This one I will sell or trade in time.
I believe it is a 32b.
Am I correct?
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Sure are nice pics! can't comment on the variety, don't know.
bob
It looks like MPD FS-301 Snow-4 to me. I am not familiar with 32b.
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I looked up the snow-4 I don't not believe it is. The snow-4 does not have the die crack or die shrinkinging on the obverse nor does it have the die crack at 6:00 on the reverse.
It took me some time to locate the information I posted. I believe they are scarce particularly in higher grade.
I did not know it was a variety when I purchased it. I do look for die cracks on all the coins I buy though. I never heard of "shrinking die" until today.
Actually it's "die sinking", not "shrinking".
Pretty much the same idea as a retained cud - the die is cracked, but not supported very well on one side,
so that part of the die gets pushed down a little when a coin is struck and the coin surface is then a little higher on
that side of the crack.
"Sinking" may not be the best terminology, because the process of making a die can also be called "sinking".
Understood and dually noted.
Thank you.
It's such a beautiful coin. Nicest Indian head cent I have owned.
If anyone else should read this thread I want to ask would this be red brown or red?
Snow 33, MPD-001
Nice pictures... based on the pictures, I would call it RB.... Cheers, RickO
Thank you for the information guys. I just need to sort out a value. I may need to have it slabbed. It appears to be uncirculated but I don't know what the numerical grade is. I know this can be important.
I can't tell if it's fully uncirculated from the photos, but even if it were, my opinion is that the chatter in the obverse fields and contact marks on the face would preclude this coin from anything higher than 63RB, at most. At 63RB, PCGS guide is $100 so it might be tough to come out ahead after grading fees.
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Looks like a dipped AU58 that has started to retone. It should still be easy to sell because it is a known variety in high grade, even if dipped. I have no idea as to value.
@291fifth
I don't think it was dipped at all and I don't know how anyone could tell from images.
This coin was pulled from an advertising piece. The coin was covered in mica like an encased postage stamp. This mica was very cloudy and to me not attractive. The coin came out pristine.
With that being said how could you tell from images?
I seriously want to learn.
This is not an attempt to contradict you of put you on the spot. I want to know what your looking at that makes you see this as being dipped.
I didn't think you could dip copper or bronze with good results.
The high points of the hair look to have some light friction as does the field in front of the face. The color may come from the way it was stored rather than from a dipping. Current grading standards may very well give it an MS grade when slabbed but, when raw, it still looks like an AU58 to me based on the photos. My standard for AU58 is very high so I actually think it is a nice coin.
So many 8's in the denticles for this date coin, I won't even attempt to attribute it without coin inhand. I really like the coin and even though it may have some very slight wear I would think it still to be valued in the RB MS63 range. JMO
Jim
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@jesbroken it's already been attributed. It's a snow-33 MPD-001.
It's odd how my phone makes coins look like they have so much "chatter" but in hand its not there.
Here is a PCGS 66 true view
Here is the images taken with my phone
Do you see an issue with the quality of the images? Or do my images definitely compare with the quality of the true view images enough to label my coin with a grade?
Same coin different light.
It's to tricky to play that game.
Were I trying to sell the coin, I would use the TV photo.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
In my opinion, your images don’t allow for solidly-based grading opinions. In particular, the obverse image makes that side of the coin appear to have dozens of small marks.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Sorry, but my book doesn't list past a Snow 31.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
That's unusual. I don't know how I can help you with that. Maybe buy the latest addition. Unless your being sarcastic at which point I have no response.
It's a good looking coin and congratulations on the variety.
But...I sure wish you'd post the coins before you do the surgery to remove them. I have no idea what sort of encasement this was in, but it is possible that it had more value that way.
I hope this scenario is not a repeat of what you did to the GE presentation piece.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1087958/i-just-spent-two-hours-wrestling-these-lincolns#latest
@JBK I want to get one thing straight right here and right now. What I do with my property is my business. I am sorry but I need to tell you that. I collect coins. I don't collect exonumia.
It is up to me what I choose to do with anything I buy and I would prefer not to hear your opinion on this matter any further.
I've been set straight here before and I have accepted it.
I am not angry or upset. I just don't want to listen to it.
If you don't want opinions then don't post your mistakes.
You mentioned that you are looking to sell this at some point, so why wouldn't you want to maximize profits?
If you're happy turning dollars into cents (like with the GE item) then carry on.
Remember - this forum isn't just for your personal benefit. It is also to educate others who read the threads.
BTW, I was not familiar with celluloid encased cents, but apparently they are a recognized niche in the hobby.
http://www.encasedcoins.info/celluloid.html
The only completed auction I could find on ebay was a 1910 Lincoln cent in a pocket mirror. It sold for $326.
No help needed and not being sarcastic at all. Here's a pic of the last portion of the last 1908 page of Rick's book. Sorry if I appeared sarcastic.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Jim no you honestly didn't sound sarcastic. I could only think of those two reasons for you not having the snow-33. It's fun to research this stuff I think. I sincerely do appreciate the help. I love the hunt Ibreally do. I have some other goodies up picked up in my travels.
Thank you for posting.