1971-D Kennedy PCGS MS68

gmarguli · July 17, 2002 2:26AM

The PCGS Population Report shows that there is only one 1971-D Kennedy in PCGS MS68. Anyone know how long it has been listed there?

I'm wondering for two reasons:

1) All the Registry Sets I looked at had an MS67 or MS66 so unless this coin is stuck in one of the non-top 20 sets or one of the two sets that are not viewable, then it is not registered.

2) I just made a 1971-D Kennedy in PCGS MS68 and I'm wondering if this is the only one or if the Population Reports just haven't been updated and this is the second one.

And as always, anyone know what the approximate value of this coin is?

keithdagen · July 17, 2002 2:58AM

Greg,

I believe yours is the first and only.

braddick · July 17, 2002 4:42AM

Congratulations Greg! You weren't kidding when you said you had a killer Kennedy at PCGS!
I think yours is the one and only.

pontiacinf · July 17, 2002 5:48AM

big time congrats Gregg.

Im sure its a real nice peice

Monstavet · July 17, 2002 6:00AM

That must be a great coin! In my experience, the pop report updates pretty quickly, so the one in the pop report must be yours. Price-wise, just a guess here, but I will say ~$1,000? Any other guesses?

HuliganRS · July 17, 2002 6:20AM

I don't know for sure...
But if put on eBay it would definetly fetch a bit over $1000

On a side note, I will give you $300

Didn't thimk so... still woth a try!

keithdagen · July 17, 2002 6:24AM

Can't be worth that much can they? After all, I bet there are millions of these unsearched in mint sets.

gmarguli · July 17, 2002 6:35AM

I bet there are millions of these unsearched in mint sets.

And to think I didn't get this one out of a mint set. I did however get the MS67 graded right before this one out of a mint set.

Just a FYI, for regular business strike Kennedys, there are:
(1) from the 1960's. It's a 1966 and it supposedly sold recently for over $10,000. The 1964 listed in MS68 is reportedly not a business strike coin.
(2) from the 1970's. This coin and a 1979-P
(13) from the 1980's.
(66) from the 1990's.
(90) from 2000-2002.

TomB · July 17, 2002 6:38AM

That's one heck of a score, Greg! Congratulations!

I guess it's worth is whatever you can extract from someone for it, right?

Spooly · July 17, 2002 6:41AM

Let me guess... you disagree with the grade right?

misterR · July 17, 2002 7:16AM

misterR · July 17, 2002 7:22AM

Wow-Big Brother is watching!

misterR · July 17, 2002 7:23AM

Greg which service level did you use to make the 68?

braddick · July 17, 2002 7:24AM

Greg- I wouldn't let that one go for anything under two grand and I wouldn't even be overly impressed if it fetched closer to three.
That is a coin needed in a bunch of different sets, not just Kennedies.
Great score!

gmarguli · July 17, 2002 7:37AM

Spooly, I actually agree with the grade.

I didn't think they would 68 it just because it is a major money coin over 67 and PCGS has a bad habit of refusing to make money coins like this. They have to be beaten over the head with a stunning high end coin before they'll consider giving it the grade. I actually mentioned this coin to braddick on Sunday. I told him it was the best business strike Kenney that I have ever seen. I joked that PCGS would probably AU58 it.

Now about that 1999-P SBA that they only went MS67 on....

Anyone wanting to check out the submission can at invoice 340055. BTW, coin #10 (the SMS quarter) was bodybagged about 6 months ago for Environmental damage. It was resubmitted with nothing done to it. Now it's an MS67.

gmarguli · July 17, 2002 7:38AM

misterR, I submitted it under the Modern Service level. You can check out the invoice (340055) if you are curious.

kieferscoins · July 17, 2002 7:47AM

Now just pray that the slabber did not thumb it or sneeze on the coin.

Cameron Kiefer

keithdagen · July 17, 2002 7:47AM

Sorry about that last. I agree with Braddick's assessment on valuation, except that the only people who need this coin are going to be Kennedy buffs. Type set guys can buy a high pop MS-68 from the 1990's.

oreville · July 17, 2002 7:50AM

gmarguli: Is that why I found all those 1971-D halves in with the bag of 1969-S cents you shipped me?

Russ · July 17, 2002 8:25AM

Nine day turnaround?! Who do I have to grease to get that?

Russ, NCNE

gmarguli · July 17, 2002 8:27AM

Is that why I found all those 1971-D halves in with the bag of 1969-S cents you shipped me?

It seems like I've been looking for high grade Kennedys since 1969.

I honestly started looking for high grade Kennedys way back when PCGS just started. I mainly focused on the 1964s, but I did look for others.

I actually posted a thread called Most Difficult "Easy" Coin For You to Make?. I picked the 1971-D Kennedy as the hardest coin for me to make. I made a lot of MS64's and a few MS65's, but I couldn't break the MS65 barrier no matter how nice the coins were. I made MS67's of other dates that looked a whole lot worse than the MS64 1971-D's I was getting back.

Then I finally hit MS66 and I was so pleased. The stupid coin ended up selling for $13 to braddick on eBay. I lost money on that coin.

It's kind of funny. I found this coin on a bid board in a 2x2 cardboard and the owner graded it MS67 and wanted $7.95 for it. I search thru a bunch of FRESH mint sets at the same time and got a couple of 1971's. From one of those sets I made the MS67 graded right before this. Finding two gems like this at one time and basically none the previous 15+ years.

Maybe my curse of the 1971-D Kennedy half has been broken? Probably not, this coin will probably only sell for $15.

BNE · July 17, 2002 8:28AM

The SMS quarter is easy to explain, Greg. It underwent "environmental repair."

misterR · July 17, 2002 11:19AM

Thanks for the info gmarguli. I guess it really doesn't matter which level of grading you use. Can't blame me for trying though. What do you think about what I said in the email? That's kind of disturbing to me. How bout you?

keets · July 17, 2002 12:26PM

hey greg, i'll trade ya my morgan for the kennedy!!

al h.

JJacks · July 17, 2002 1:45PM

Greg,

What no fingerprints on the coin? I bet your glad this one didn't go to NGC!

Way to go on the super grade!

JJacks

gmarguli · July 18, 2002 12:01AM

I don't have the coin back yet soit may have fingerprints.

It was shipped yesterday so I should have it today.

NGC is getting my non-modern coins. PCGS is getting my modern.

DRG · July 18, 2002 12:37AM

With my submissions the pop report has always listed the coin before they let me know the grade. So I am sure this is a pop#1. Congrats!!!!

The 1999P SBA$ are actually fairly tough in MS67, at least compared to the 1999D's. In MS68 all but impossible. I am so tired of looking at those coins I can't begin to tell you. After the first MS68 was made I went on a mission. I had really given up when my last 2 hopefulls made MS68. Now I really don't want to look at another 1999P. But goodluck

gmarguli · July 18, 2002 1:46AM

The coin turns out to be a Pop 2. I was informed by someone who knows that the original MS68 1971-D was graded about 3 years ago and it does not reside in a Registry Set.

While the Population Report still shows it as a Pop 1, the Registry Sets pop data shows it as a Pop 2. Still a great coin.

keithdagen · July 18, 2002 1:48AM

Pop 2 does not diminish the achievement here.

braddick · July 18, 2002 1:58AM

Not even close. If anything it adds to the validity that PCGS can and will grade these early 70 Kennedies a 68 if the coin is truly worthy.
Knowing that one is sealed away in a collection only adds to the appeal of this second discovery coin.

keithdagen · July 18, 2002 2:02AM

Would be interesting to know where that other piece resides.

gmarguli · July 20, 2002 4:39AM

1971-D 50¢ PCGS MS68 Slab

1971-D 50¢ PCGS MS68 Coin (no slab) - LARGE

keithdagen · July 20, 2002 4:42AM

What, no fingerprint courtesy of a grader????

Looks great.

gmarguli · July 20, 2002 4:52AM

No fingerprints. Even more shocking was a batch of silver DCAM Kennedys (4 PR68 & 12 PR69) that came back without haze!!!

braddick · July 20, 2002 5:03AM

Nice, full shield and tail feathers. The 71-D's are natorious for a weak strike.
Great coin!

pontiacinf · July 20, 2002 5:15AM

thats a beauty regardless of the "pop"

oreville · July 20, 2002 3:01PM

Hmmm....real nice.

I even see the halo that is evidence of the stamping pressure being all the die could take without screaming helpppppp!! I do not recall seeing such halo on many, if any of the clad mint state Kennedies.

I do not recall seeing such halo on the Franklins mint state issues either but the halos were notable on the walkers.

CarlWohlforth · July 20, 2002 10:53PM

Nice Kennedy! I guess patience is required in this hobby.

Greg, you say you are surprised the proofs came back with no haze. Did they go in with haze?

gmarguli · July 21, 2002 2:13AM

Greg, you say you are surprised the proofs came back with no haze. Did they go in with haze?

They had no haze before they went in. I dipped it off the few that had haze. However, I've had proofs come back with haze that went in haze free.

andy007 · July 21, 2002 7:34AM

What a nice Kennedy you got there Greg, congrats on getting the 68 from PCGS.

As a side note, I have had a 78-S Ike proof come back with easily visible PVC all over the coin slabbed by PCGS before. I went through over 300 proof sets to find the nicest Ike proof I could to submit and it was an easy PR69 DCAM before submission. I think somewhere along the trip the flip it was in got too hot and hazed the coin and put PVC all over the obverse. PCGS slabbed it anyway, PR67 CAM.

1971-D Kennedy PCGS MS68

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