What do you guys think ?

JimTyler

https://www.ebay.com/itm/295542690201?hash=item44cfb79199:g:v8AAAOSwAc5j-W-q

CoinCoins

Looks real nice. There's a PCGS MS64 up for $30 less though, I'd lean towards that one.

davewesen

I would pass - something looks off what grade range would you put it in?

MFeld

@davewesen said:
I would pass - something looks off what grade range would you put it in?

I agree that the images look off. My guess is that they’re hiding flaws and I wouldn’t buy the coin based on those pictures. To do so would be inviting trouble.

Edited to add: Since the question was subsequently raised, I think counterfeit is a highly likely possibility.

JimTyler

No one thinks it’s counterfeit ?

MFeld

@JimTyler said:
No one thinks in counterfeit ?

I think there’s a very strong likelihood and have notified the seller.

JimTyler

I worked in a shop in the 90’s and military guys were bringing back counterfeit gold from somewhere in the Middle East. I worked near Fort Lewis we saw a lot. I don’t remember what country but their counterfeits were well known and common. Real gold and look just like that coin.

MFeld

@JimTyler said:
I worked in a shop in the 90’s and military guys were bringing back counterfeit gold from somewhere in the Middle East. I worked near Fort Lewis we saw a lot. I don’t remember what country but their counterfeits were well known and common. Real gold and look just like that coin.

I believe you’re thinking of Lebanon.

PerryHall

@JimTyler said:
No one thinks it’s counterfeit ?

Looks like a counterfeit to me.

ricko

There was a rash of counterfeit gold coins from Lebanon and the Middle East in general back in the nineties. Mostly heard about them at coin shows back then. Internet just getting going in mid nineties... Cheers, RickO

sellitstore

100% counterfeit, not even close. I'm surprised that any expert was fooled by this one, even for a minute.

291fifth

Why is it still raw? Pass.

PerryHall

@291fifth said:
Why is it still raw? Pass.

Not every raw gold coin is counterfeit but this one sure is.

MFeld

@sellitstore said:
100% counterfeit, not even close. I'm surprised that any expert was fooled by this one, even for a minute.

I tend not to condemn coins as unquestionably counterfeit, when unfamiliar with a seller’s imaging. My reason is that are many occasions when lighting can make a genuine, problem-free coin appear counterfeit or cleaned.

JimTyler

Lighting doesn’t make the bubbles around the date. I think he knew what he was doing. Pulled the pictures and ended auction. Tell you what else stinks. He has 1700 listing so I only checked a few but the other gold I checked either has no photo on the gold testing machine or the one that doesn’t have a probe hiding the coin.

johnny9434

bogus, jmo

PerryHall

@MFeld said:

@sellitstore said:
100% counterfeit, not even close. I'm surprised that any expert was fooled by this one, even for a minute.

I tend not to condemn coins as unquestionably counterfeit, when unfamiliar with a seller’s imaging. My reason is that are many occasions when lighting can make a genuine, problem-free coin appear counterfeit or cleaned.

Sometime pics are good enough to know that a coin is fake and this is just the case with this coin.

Jimnight

Auction was ended.

MFeld

Based on this and other listings from the seller, as well as communications I’ve had with him, I don’t think he knew that the coin was counterfeit or had any intent to deceive anyone. He could have easily ignored messages and continued to try to sell the coin, as many sellers do.