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  • CoinCoinsCoinCoins Posts: 698 ✭✭✭

    Looks real nice. There's a PCGS MS64 up for $30 less though, I'd lean towards that one.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would pass - something looks off what grade range would you put it in?

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2023 6:59AM

    @davewesen said:
    I would pass - something looks off what grade range would you put it in?

    I agree that the images look off. My guess is that they’re hiding flaws and I wouldn’t buy the coin based on those pictures. To do so would be inviting trouble.

    Edited to add: Since the question was subsequently raised, I think counterfeit is a highly likely possibility.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2023 5:47AM

    No one thinks it’s counterfeit ?

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2023 6:00AM

    @JimTyler said:
    No one thinks in counterfeit ?

    I think there’s a very strong likelihood and have notified the seller.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2023 5:54AM

    I worked in a shop in the 90’s and military guys were bringing back counterfeit gold from somewhere in the Middle East. I worked near Fort Lewis we saw a lot. I don’t remember what country but their counterfeits were well known and common. Real gold and look just like that coin.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2023 5:57AM

    @JimTyler said:
    I worked in a shop in the 90’s and military guys were bringing back counterfeit gold from somewhere in the Middle East. I worked near Fort Lewis we saw a lot. I don’t remember what country but their counterfeits were well known and common. Real gold and look just like that coin.

    I believe you’re thinking of Lebanon.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JimTyler said:
    No one thinks it’s counterfeit ?

    Looks like a counterfeit to me.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2023 6:15AM

    There was a rash of counterfeit gold coins from Lebanon and the Middle East in general back in the nineties. Mostly heard about them at coin shows back then. Internet just getting going in mid nineties... Cheers, RickO

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭✭✭

    100% counterfeit, not even close. I'm surprised that any expert was fooled by this one, even for a minute.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why is it still raw? Pass.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    Why is it still raw? Pass.

    Not every raw gold coin is counterfeit but this one sure is.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sellitstore said:
    100% counterfeit, not even close. I'm surprised that any expert was fooled by this one, even for a minute.

    I tend not to condemn coins as unquestionably counterfeit, when unfamiliar with a seller’s imaging. My reason is that are many occasions when lighting can make a genuine, problem-free coin appear counterfeit or cleaned.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2023 8:29AM

    Lighting doesn’t make the bubbles around the date. I think he knew what he was doing. Pulled the pictures and ended auction. Tell you what else stinks. He has 1700 listing so I only checked a few but the other gold I checked either has no photo on the gold testing machine or the one that doesn’t have a probe hiding the coin.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,490 ✭✭✭✭✭

    bogus, jmo

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @sellitstore said:
    100% counterfeit, not even close. I'm surprised that any expert was fooled by this one, even for a minute.

    I tend not to condemn coins as unquestionably counterfeit, when unfamiliar with a seller’s imaging. My reason is that are many occasions when lighting can make a genuine, problem-free coin appear counterfeit or cleaned.

    Sometime pics are good enough to know that a coin is fake and this is just the case with this coin.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Auction was ended.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on this and other listings from the seller, as well as communications I’ve had with him, I don’t think he knew that the coin was counterfeit or had any intent to deceive anyone. He could have easily ignored messages and continued to try to sell the coin, as many sellers do.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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