Oh boy what did I find!
Biggerbob
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I will be sending this in!
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Biggerbob
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Good luck with it
"I will be sending this in!"
Don't waste your money!
Struck with false dies.
You’d be throwing money away by “sending it in”.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
The alignment is impossible for a real flip over double struck. Sorry, but it's someone's experiment.
@Biggerbob .... Welcome aboard. Your cent has severe, intentional Post Mint Damage (PMD) and is not a mint error. Cheers, RickO
PMD
This is not an obviously PMD coin and I am again surprised at the quick condemnation by this forum of such a coin. Only one of the six people that condemned it have even given any explanation why they think the way they do. Coins like this need to be given the benefit of the doubt, so that they don’t get thrown away or spent and lost forever. The consequences of a false negative are numismatically tragic
I am trying to wrap my head around whether it is the correct die alignment for a flip-over double struck error coin, and I think the alignment is correct. Edit: After reviewing it more, I agree that the alignment is off.
That said, I think the second strike was done by false dies. This is based on the way that the wheat stalks on the reverse are warped. Also, it seems to be just so slightly out of round, which would not occur with two in-collar strikes.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HhsRj_HyJXU
This is pretty interesting.
Dwayne F. Sessom
Ebay ID: V-Nickel-Coins
Neat curiosity. I agree with false dies. You can obviously see the damage such as flattening on the original strike.
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I understand your concern. We have had a few "PMD" posts that turned out to be incorrect. However, you can't know that the condemnation was "quick" or not based on a clear look at the coin. Just because they came to the same conclusion you did earlier doesn't mean they didn't apply their knowledge and experience.
The overall "wavyness" (especially visible on the reverse) leads me to believe that it is a "vice job".
Pressing a genuine coin into some piece of metal (such as copper) can impart a die-like impression in that metal.
Then pressing that piece of metal against a genuine coin can somewhat simulate a double strike.
A typical side effect of doing that is that the resulting coin has a warped and wavy shape.
I wouldn't send this in. I have seen at least a dozen of these coins at shows the last 6 months and all were struck with false dies. I know a few dealers who purchased them, sent them in, and were disappointed when they came back bagged
HAPPY COLLECTING
Deleted - I didn't read Dcarr's post carefully enough.
Wow do you think!
Ok you guys are great! I found this one roll hunting, and about lost my mind. I did get one night with her in my dreams. I will hold on to it and mark it as questionable. Thanks!
Welcome @Biggerbob —No, they likely know—and there is scant authority beyond their experience who would make the effort to bend down to look at our street coins and comment accurately.
Many people experience a similar letdown here. Read and learn.
@Ricko even has a dog that flushes vised coinery out of the woods.
Fake errors are a subset of the Asian made fakes commonly found on various venues.
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True. I meant “quick” in the sense that responses condemn the coin as PMD without any reasoning. To me, this felt like folks dismissed it, and it wasn’t even worth discussing, so no reasoning was added. Im guilty of this too at times. I also recognize that the members that responded have a lot if numismatic experience and that some folks keep their posts short for several reasons.
I cringe at the thought of all the treasures that have been destroyed or neglected because folks think something is too good to be real. There is treasure out there, even stuff posted by newbies on online forums!
@Fraz ..... Sssshhhhh.... Don't tell everyone about my dog..... Took a lot of training.
Cheers, RickO
Welcome to the forum, there is a vast amount of experience here on all parts of the hobby... Interesting cent you offered up. Not being an error expert I know little or almost nothing about the subject. I'd look to the answers offered here by those error coin experts. I may have posted as you did although my guess is it may be an experiment post mintage. I wouldn't throw it away just in case.
Mark
Thanks again guys, I am leaning a lot about this topic. I have lots of damaged coins having been in the coin opp repair and restoration business, if it looked or felt funky I kept it… the penny pictured was in a cash of rolled coins I found in an old Coke machine I repaired. Don’t worry about the earlier comments lacking content, I look at the number of posts the person has and go from there. Seniority has its privileges! Quick question, I don’t want this coin to get back into the wild. After I am satisfied it is PMD what is the best practice from a collectors standpoint on what to do with it?
"I don’t want this coin to get back into the wild. After I am satisfied it is PMD what is the best practice from a collectors standpoint on what to do with it?"
It's a great educational or study piece for you, if it were mine I would keep it to show & teach others.
I would just put it in a flip and mark it "Not for Sale" & "False Dies."
If you are not comfortable with that You could cut it in half or just throw it in the garbage.
You could also seek out members here that help educate on counterfeit detection and donate it to them.
There are also collectors of counterfeit coins here on the forum.
When I was a kid I took a roll of nickels in the paper and shot them with my dads .357. The first few coins were messed up (concave) but the rest had similar like attributes. I loved spending them and people would be like - oh really - yeah it's just a nickel.
I fully agree.
We could be related🤪 Rather than a indentation, this Lincoln has raised/relieved markings which are in question.
Welcome to the forum.