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Neither Scarce nor in Particularly High Grade - Just a Nice, Old 1794 Cent

EddiEddi Posts: 517 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 23, 2023 7:03AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Sheldon 24, The "Apple Cheeks" variety.

On this example you can get a glimpse of why she was called that.

Have a go at grading her, if you wish.

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  • jerseybenjerseyben Posts: 116 ✭✭✭

    You looking for a market grade or EAC grade?

  • dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2023 7:05AM

    That's about as clean and problem free as early circulated copper comes! That one actually looks like it would straight grade at PCGS/NGC! I am not great at grading early copper or buffalo nickels, but a shot in the dark guess would be in the VG range, maybe VG10?

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2023 7:31AM

    Very nice Liberty Cap! The weakness in strike on the reverse is common. Surfaces: I'm seeing a little porosity around Liberty's neck and above the date but the fields look amazingly clean. A little porosity on the reverse as well. The tick at 8 o'clock on the obverse looks like a planchet flaw to me (as struck). Color: I'm seeing nice medium to light steel-brown. Details: Commercial grading could go as high as 35, maybe 40? EAC... IDK... all bets are off but I'd venture a guess of VF30, net 25. FWIW, here's my S-62 for comparison:

    edited to add: @Walkerguy21D

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  • EddiEddi Posts: 517 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jerseyben said:
    You looking for a market grade or EAC grade?

    Both, please. I am curious to see how far apart your market from your EAC assessment is.

  • EddiEddi Posts: 517 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ikenefic
    Thank you for sharing your S-62. That is a very pretty cent, with nice patina and detail. It is also quite scarce at R-4+.
    I know how difficult is is to obtain a straight grade for early cents, so that makes your S-62 quite special.

    The roughness or light porosity you noticed on the lower part of the bust and date area of the S-24 I showed is actually due to roughness or corrosion on the original dies. Not all S-24's show this which is quite interesting, and it makes you wonder what could have happened to the dies.

    Here are two S-24's showing this obverse roughness.

  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice cent.......I'll go with a 35......

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  • EddiEddi Posts: 517 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dsessom said:
    That's about as clean and problem free as early circulated copper comes! That one actually looks like it would straight grade at PCGS/NGC! I am not great at grading early copper or buffalo nickels, but a shot in the dark guess would be in the VG range, maybe VG10?

    Thank you. I also think that it would grade straight, and if I ever decide to submit any early coppers, this would be one of them. Regarding the grade, I don't know how PCGS would grade it, but my EAC grade would be about F15.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice old cent... Certainly one that most collectors would be proud to own. Cheers, RickO

  • Piano1Piano1 Posts: 233 ✭✭✭

    Could someone explain the differences between "market grade" and EAC grade, please? How would PCGS standards and EAC grades compare? Thanks!

    Piano1

  • jclovescoinsjclovescoins Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF30 maybe details

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Piano1 said:
    Could someone explain the differences between "market grade" and EAC grade, please? How would PCGS standards and EAC grades compare? Thanks!

    Piano1

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice clean 1794 copper coin I'd take in a second!

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Eddi said:
    @ikenefic
    Thank you for sharing your S-62. That is a very pretty cent, with nice patina and detail. It is also quite scarce at R-4+.
    I know how difficult is is to obtain a straight grade for early cents, so that makes your S-62 quite special.

    The roughness or light porosity you noticed on the lower part of the bust and date area of the S-24 I showed is actually due to roughness or corrosion on the original dies. Not all S-24's show this which is quite interesting, and it makes you wonder what could have happened to the dies.

    Here are two S-24's showing this obverse roughness.

    I thought that roughness could have been "as struck" from corroded dies... thanks for clearing that up! With mintages being so low and using dies until they literally broke apart, that makes sense. Thanks for sharing.

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,562 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Almost certainly a straight grade, probably in the vicinity of VF 30.
    EAC grade would vary, but the op’s guesstimate of F15 is probably close.

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  • Piano1Piano1 Posts: 233 ✭✭✭

    Catburt, thanks for providing the link to EAC vs "regular" grading. Very helpful. On initial reading, I remain confused so I suspect that EAC also has some leeway in how to grade early cents. I'm going to print the link info out so I can save and study it in further detail. My large cent collection is for my type set but miraculously, I have a F-2 1793 and a solid example of the other types. EAC interested me as a younger collector but I never joined as the early coppers weren't my forte.

    Ikenific mentions "corroded dies". I was under the belief that virtually all of the copper planchets were rejected by the producer (England) before being shipped to the U.S. Do I have this correct and if so, can't defects be considered to be a typical characteristic of many of the early coppers?

    Thanks. Piano1

  • Piano1Piano1 Posts: 233 ✭✭✭

    Well, with all the photos of really nice 1794 cents, I thought I would add my contribution. The coin pales in comparison (I'm not even sure that the S- number is correct) and my photography skills are definitely "in progress", but here's my attempt. Di I need more light???...or a Photography Class for Dummies

    I think F-12 is a BIT conservative but then again, what do I know?!?

    Piano1


  • CopperLadCopperLad Posts: 53 ✭✭

    Lovely old copper.
    I think it would grade 40ish.
    EAC Guys? 20ish.

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