Cards damaged in grading process
f2tornado
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My last order had 13 or 14 cards damaged at some point in the grading process. The top right corner on all the cards was scuffed. When this happened to me on a card in a previous order, PSA contacted me, waived the fee, and discounted the order based on market value of damaged card. Not the case this time. Adding insult to injury, I don't feel I can sell some of the cards with the established grade since the damage looks worse than the Mint 9 assigned. The card on right in first image is Cert #70864195 and that type of corner damage is not consistent with a Mint grade. What, if anything, can I do? I emailed CS and got the 15 days for response notice.
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You wait 15 days.....
You should get reimbursed for the difference between the PSA 9 value and the grade that the damaged card gets after being reviewed. You will have to wait till they either approve the case and have you send the cards back for review or say you are out of luck. If you do get to send them back be prepared to wait a year or so to get a final verdict. I am waiting on multiple review cases like this dating back to May 2022.
To be honest, those three that are posted at the top aren't necessarily not a PSA 9. I wouldn't call them ideal 9's, but if everything on the card was perfect except for what you show, they could be a reach 9. I wouldn't necessarily call them PSA 8's, as I've seen worse corners on those. On the other slabs you have pictured, I pulled up the pics from the PSA cert page and they all look fine for 9's, so not sure what your gripe is. Being that these are all recent modern Pokie's, the value is really in PSA 10's, so the diff between an 8 and 9 isn't huge. You trying to get PSA to give you like a 5 spot back per slab??
No. I'm saying PSA damaged them.
This is 70864195 in raw form. There are no chipped corners.
Too low res to see anything... You take pre-sub pics of cards that are worth only $45 in PSA 10?
Here is 70864186. Yes, PSA damaged at least 13 cards in the order. Yes, they are relatively cheap, even with a 10, but that doesn't alter what happened here.
I find grown men arguing about Pokemon cards hilarious.
Did you submit the cards in toploaders as pictured?
This is happening far too often lately
Brian
I don't care if it is Pokémon cards or vintage baseball cards, whatever cards the OP chose to submit he has every right to be upset if PSA damaged them. I think any one of us would feel the same way if it happened to our subs.
If you plan on using those toploaders I would suggest adding in a penny sleave.
Most of us send in using cardsavers, this is from their website: Card Savers are the most popular semi-rigid trading card holders in the world. They are used and recommended by PSA and most major PSA authorized dealers. PSA has relied on the Card Saver 1 and Card Saver 4 trading card holders since they started in 1991.
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Sucks they got damaged. I'm considering removing all my cards from top loaders because the way PSA may be doing it is slamming it upside down on a table to get it to slide to the bottom before tapping the sides.
Some people put a post it note on the penny sleeve and the note sticks out of the top loader so they can easily pull them out.
I'd still be upset because they should be experts at removing them.
The guy who thinks it's hilarious that people care about Pokémon is a person to put on MUTE.
Cards should never be submitted in top loaders anyway.
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If you are submitting your cards to PSA in top loaders, then they deserve to be damaged..... It's not against the rules to use top loaders per se... but the instructions on the PSA website is very specific that the use of top loaders is advised against!
https://www.psacard.com/submissions/shipguide
You shouldn't even have to take pre grading photos for the cost of the service.
Yes. It isn't always the $ value that means everything. Occasionally, there are sentimental attachments as well that figure into the grading experience. Example. Ones late Dad gifted you his cards that were owned by him for years. Card(s) returned damaged. For sure has a negative effect.
Glad the kids are older Justin, and you're able to enjoy the hobby again ( with them also hopefully)
To comment on your query from my own personal experiences over the last year or so ==>
File the CRC claim. The rep will contact you. Provide them with the before sub pics, and those slabbed item damage pics
PSA grading then reviews them if documented properly.
At best , they might agree, then they'll pay declared value ,refund the grading fees, plus return the cards at a lower graded level slabbed
If they agree and determine the declared was excessive ,they'll pay market value plus grading fees, and return the cards slabbed
No use arguing with them about the market value in that case.
At worst they'll disagree, say why and send them back as is. If one is lucky with minor compensation. Most times nothing.
And be prepared to get frustrated by months and months of waiting on answers and/or solutions
Again just personal experiences based on a dozen CRC claims over the last 18 months. There was even more damaged, but it was not worth the time or hassles involved. I may not agree with what PSA decides, but in the long term its been acceptable business wise.
jeff
I too have had a great deal of concern with the grades that I have received from PSA lately, and in January of this year, I decided to perform an experiment.
I submitted 20 cards to PSA and took careful photos of every corner, every edge, etc. of each card. The goal of the experiment was to determine if in fact they were damaging cards and passing them off with higher grades to cover it up. The focus of the experiment was my submission of duplicate cards. They were the 1988 Topps FB Sterling Sharpe RC. Both were brand new, well-centered with sharp corners, but card surfaces were not perfect. They were from boxes that I had purchased within 30 days of their submission to PSA. Just got them back via FedEx today. One received an "8" and the other a "9."
My experiment was a success!
The corners of the "9" had clearly been damaged while in the hands of PSA, and the other card, the "8," appeared to be in the same condition by which it was submitted. I was given no forewarning and no explanation. Just the damaged card with the impossible grade of a "9." Attached are pictures.
The conclusion to draw is that PSA damages cards and to cover up their sloppy and reckless handling of valuable collectibles and keep their owner's quiet, they give higher grades that the damaged cards do not deserve. That's the bottom line.
It makes sense with all of the new hiring that PSA is doing of graders that they are scared and don't want to lose their jobs, so they do what they believe they have to do to keep them, but there are two steps in the grading process entitled "Q&A1 and Q&A2" or "Quality and Assurance Levels 1 & 2" which are performed to ensure the accuracy of the grades. Of course these two steps intended to double and triple check the grader's level of competency are performed AFTER the card has been graded AND ENCAPSULATED in the slab during the ASSEMBLY Step of the grading process. Does this not seem out of order to anyone else here??? So the person who damages the card and grades it sends it directly to ASSEMBLY - NO ONE else actually gives your card a 2nd look until it has already been sealed into the slab forever. Even though PSA promises that the item is reviewed by "several professional" graders. All untrue.
What does that mean? That means that when you go onto eBay or Mercari or I am guessing especially Goldin to purchase PSA graded items, there is an ever-growing likelihood that cards you purchase (especially those graded as "PSA 9"), will be inferior and/or damaged items that PSA passed off to cover up their own recklessness. This appears to have become rampant within the past 9-12 months, and it would not be a surprise should we see in the very near future that any cards graded by PSA post 2022, be required to be sold with an "*" as having been Professionally Tampered w/ by PSA. Something to this effect - PSA9* (PTPSA). I personally took great pride in my collection until the more recent questionable grades that I was receiving, and as criminal as it is for PSA to behave the way that it has been as of late, it would be even more criminal, in my opinion, to try to sell these items on the open market and pull a fast one on a fellow collector the way that PSA is trying to do with you.
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Was the upper left corner of the PSA 9 also damaged?
Did the card get damaged or swapped out?
Read customer reviews of the PSA app and you find somebody who believes 13 of 14 cards were swapped and a box of cards disappeared in shipping.
I am not going to accuse anyone but I had the fear of swapped goods when ebay said they will use authentication.
A few cameras for shipping/receiving and one on each grader should be the minimum level of security that PSA management should have for this industry. The cherry on top would be to record and save (for 90 days or less) the media for each submission. I won't go into the weeds on how to do this but it's simple and can be combined with a scanner to make it a quicker process.
People would gladly pay more.
They could even use the grading software that other companies have just to ensure the card encapsulated is in 99% identical condition to the condition received.
Did we ever hear back from the OP, did he send them in Top loaders? Either way I feel bad for him.
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When people begin making wild, unbased and false speculation about PSA, then it is time to shut things down. To the OP, please do contact the CRC if you would like someone to look into your situation.