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AlanSki
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What exactly is this? It appears to be struck at least 2 times, maybe more. What type of error is it?
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Massive damage – it did not leave the Mint looking anything like that whatsoever
How could someone make it though?
I wasn’t there, so I can’t tell you exactly, but it’s been pressed hard,with the reverse having a softer item pressed into the reverse on that distorted section.
It doesn’t look damaged to you?
Wild guess? Two stacked together on a railroad track.
No, it looks like a double struck brockage. There’s a mirrored “ONE”. The reason I asked is I’m not an expert on errors.
If someone did press two coins together, how would you get stretched out devices on a downward curve?
I used to do that as a kid and the tonnage of the engines themselves would flatten them out leaving no shelf left on the devices.
It looks like it's been in a parking lot for a while.
It doesn't look double struck at all. Obviously two cents were placed together and put through a roller or vice of some kind.
Wouldn’t that just flatten them out? How would the distinct curve happen with a pattern that isn’t on a cent?
How much it flattens it out would depend on the amount of pressure used. Don't know what caused the pattern you're talking about, but my question is what is in the mint that would cause that pattern? Answer: Nothing.
My gut is thinking a hydraulic press could produce something like this.
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Two coins weren’t pressed together – your coin was smashed, as mentioned ,
In a roller or vice, and where you see the distorted lettering from the original coin, there was something that was softer covering the rev. surface in that area, between the vice, or roller
I understand your thinking and I’m not arguing, just trying to understand more. If two cents were laid on top you’d expect even spacing with the mirror image, right? How would uneven spacing happen where two letters maintain original orientation but one is significantly off? Wouldn’t the E also be facing the opposite direction?
Two coins were not pressed together
Thank you. Not pressed but some unknown damage.
It was definitely another cent smashed into this one. You can see imprint of the columns and steps from the Lincoln Memorial and "ONE C" from the other coin at almost 90 degrees to the original.
Maybe not from something quite as heavy as a train but something similar.
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The E would be going in an opposite direction. Look close and you can see the E opens to the left. If two coins were pressed the E would open to the right.
Ive seen videos of guys pressing a whole pile of coins together. They slide, slip, stretch. This looks like a possibility of what happened to your coin.
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I think you’re interpreting the E incorrectly. The E is facing the correct direction for a normal coin that was overlapping this one at the time that the damage occurred.
There are an unlimited number of ways that damage can happen to a coin, so nobody can say for sure how this one occurred, unless they were there to observe the damage. Even when the experts give a possible specific, explanation, as in “it was smashed by a train”, it is quite possible that it is not the true cause, but it serves as a possible explanation. You see explanations all the time such as “vice job”, “spooned”, or “dryer coin”, but again, it’s almost impossible to be 100% certain with a specific cause of damage.
I hope this info helps explain, rather than just tell: A true error would not have flattened out design as on the reverse of your coin. It also would not have the form of scratches and exposed zinc that you see on the obverse. A true error would not have the form of waffled edge that you see on the reverse at K7 - K9. A true error would have left a majority of the original obverse strike untouched and a true error would have left a second impression of the obverse design.
Take another look, the E matches what it should for a coin pressed into another coin. Your overlay is using the wrong mark as the back of the E.
This is the back of the E:
Or rotated to be upright...
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Really, the obverse tells the whole story.
"ENO" ?
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I could make something similar with two coins and a bench vise. Throw it in the trash.
Send it to pcgs.
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Isn't that what a (real) brockage is?
I think its a garage project gone wrong, looks like vice or press of multiple coins that pressed together then slid as were being crushed together.
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Intentional PMD.... Various possibilities discussed above. I have seen videos of cents crushed together in a hydraulic press... some of the results were similar to the 'coin' in question. Cheers, RickO