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Mule Die Clash Coin

I have found a 1980 D/D 1¢ LM coin that has clearly been Mule-Die-Clashed with the Rev of a 10¢ Roosevelt dime (numerous strikes) on the Obv. showing the torch, flames, olive leafs, & acorn leafs.
1) Would anyone know what the asking price for something like this is? 2) I understand that it needs to be "attributed" by someone re: fake. But is this what they do if you just grade it? Or is this the general rule of thumb: attribute, then grade (both)????


  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Please show a full coin photo.

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I filtered your photo I just can't see it. Just my opinion.

  • lcutlerlcutler Posts: 347 ✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2023 1:53AM

    Pictures need to be clearer, but from these, I don't see anything out of the ordinary.

  • I'm not sure how to make the pics clearer, but I went to library and blew up the sections of each, if that helps. I know for absolute certain it's a dime clash, I'm just wondering if anyone knows of this. Does that make sense? Sorry, new kid on block🤪
    So first pic 507.9k here, below, clearly has all 3 Reverse side of dime items, clashed (in-side-out or flipped) from ear (NNW) across Abes face, obviously with torch in middle, ACORNS to the left (sw) and Olives to the right (ne)

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2023 5:25PM

    @GPasAttic "I know for absolute certain it's a dime clash"

    Statements like this are generally a big red flag coming from new collectors here on the forum. :/
    It means you have already made up your mind and no matter what you are told you will not accept it.
    I would like to try to help you without offending you or discouraging you from the hobby.

    Let's start here
    Is there any chance a dime impacted your coin and left an impression on it?
    Do you know how rare mule die clashes are?
    Have you checked this site and read about mule die clashes?
    If I am understanding you correctly you are saying there are 3 clashes from the reverse of a dime.
    One clash would be very rare, do you realize how rare it would be to have multiple clashes?
    There is only one known mule die clash on modern coinage.
    If you look at the other examples you will see how they show much better than what you are showing.
    I realize coins are hard to photograph but without better photos it is hard to say what you are seeing.
    There are plenty of people here in this site that are willing to help you learn, just keep an open mind.
    I am not seeing what you are showing as a mule die clash.

    Edited to add: Thanks for the extra effort to provide additional photos. :)

  • lcutlerlcutler Posts: 347 ✭✭✭

    I hate to see anyone throw money away, but the only way a coin like this would be accepted as what you think it is would be to have it attributed by PCGS. I am not recommending it, as I feel there is no chance that it is a mule clash, and it would be money wasted.

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now it wants to work !!!
    Could not show this that night .

  • Ifthevamzarockin,
    No offense taken a at all😊 I dearly appreciate your help and guidance. I fear my pics are not very good bcuz of my crappy phone, but through my microscope, it is clear as day. So I take my pics, thru my camera, looking thru micro.
    And no I haven't read much on Mule Clashes, but I have shown 3 others the coin in person, and they all said to have it attributed. I hadn't even heard of Mule Clash before someone told me🥴
    So that was one of my questions re: attributions. I didn't know if that is a trust worthy thing to send your coins away to someone. And can any company or person do that? I know PCGS, but they seem horribly busy. Any others that can do it?

  • Icutler,
    Thank you for your help😊

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "I didn't know if that is a trust worthy thing to send your coins away to someone."
    "And can any company or person do that?"

    You could try the contact form on the mad die clash site and wait for a reply.

  • Oh gosh. Thank you so much for your information and help😊 I'll keep you posted...

  • Note: the above are pics, but loaded weird. The first pic (#3901) is the "fitted overlay"; the 2nd (#8019) is the "overlay" to the south of the "Clash pic/strike"

    Ok, so I'm trying this on you. I'm not sure if it's still called a CLASH if the Rev. dime image is not inverted(backward/flipped over), but I can "overlay" the dime image to match the 3 deepest strikes on the Obv. of the Lincoln cent. Hope that makes sense. I will post you a pic, but I'm sure it will be crummy to your view. But I did get a "digital microscope camera" , but not sure how to run it yet. But I'll give it a whirl anyway. Obviously not being a coin guru🤪 (yet) I'm only learning so thank you so very much for your help and patience! If it turns out well, then we'll deal with that bridge then😊

  • Any help at all??

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The image you posted looks like the torch is fairly small compared to the cent it is on.
    In other words the torch appears smaller than it would be on a dime.

    Sorry if I am not seeing it right. :/

  • No the black & white torch is exactly taken from a 1980 dime. In pic 2, It is intentionally placed offset to the southwest of the torch struck on the penny so you can see the torch marks. The first pic is the torch overlayed on the penny torch strike.😊

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A dime & a penny are close to the same size, the torch would be larger than what you are showing.
    In other words I should be able to see the rims on the penny.
    It appears the penny photo is enlarged.
    You are showing fields around the torch that would not be that distance from the rims.

  • lcutlerlcutler Posts: 347 ✭✭✭

    I agree with ifthevamzarockin, you are showing the entire torch and leaves fitting in the field area of the cent, this would be impossible.

  • Oh yes, you are correct. I'm sorry I didn't understand. They are enlarged so you could see the strikes on the penny; bcuz you couldn't see anything on the blurry pics I took before. I'm anxious to upload to you a new pic with a digital-scope. I'm praying it's clear bcuz it wasn't very cheap! (Or I'm sure you guys are laughing..."it's operator error all around!") So I apologize, but I thank you for sticking with me. I know I'm new, and I don't know a lot, and I definitely don't know any about this error, but I do know what I can see. Does that make sense? So now I just need to learn photography as well.

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No one is laughing at you.
    We know you are new and just trying to help you. ;)

    We are here to help when you get more photos uploaded.

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