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dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭✭✭

I just purchased an 1887 PCGS MS64 V nickel to go into my Registry set. I do realize that is has a few minor "problems" - mainly the spot on the lower portion of the "C" in AMERICA in the reverse, which is probably minor corrosion. However, I like the coin a lot in general due to the late die state, die breaks around the periphery of the obverse, while still retaining a very good strike.

My question is; "What is that blob on the neck of the obverse portrait?" Is that a cud? I can't tell if it's convex or concave.


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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,150 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another vote for planchet flaw.

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't thing it's a cud. A cud on a coin is a damaged area resembling a blob on the surface of a coin. The cud is raised above the field, obliterating the device or inscription where it appears. Cuds result from die cracks or die breaks that have become severe. They can also form from die chips were part of the die surface has become damaged and broken away.

    Some experts in the coin error-variety hobby insist that for the blob to be called a cud, the damaged part of the die must include part of the edge of the die.

    Post close-up pictures of those areas in question after you get the coin.

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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,362 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Or something came inbetween the die and coin blank. Bought a piece with something similar but have no photo.
    As for the black spot, I still can't fathom all the opportunities people had, to have taken the time to remove such a spot with a toothpick on the following coin before it was encapsulated. From the collectors, sellers, dealers, spectators, coin graders and finalizers and possibly the guy who entombed the coin, all who had this coin in hand..........did anybody think? lol, Just unbelievable!

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    dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On closer inspection, it looks to be concave, so a planchet error seems most likely. I'm not sure why that never even occurred to me. I had never seen this in a V nickel before, and I have seen quite a few in my day. LOL

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    emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Concave. On the neck.
    Because the depth of the flaw, is showing the reflection of the light source as a downhill pattern.

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,673 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm calling strike thru. Rev looks like a rust spot.

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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,362 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not the best photography but.....here's that pocket of missing metal I mentioned I have on a coin. Not a strike-thru, imo. But I thnik if others dug a little deeper, more examples would be posted.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree with planchet flaw.... No displaced metal around the perimeter.... Cheers, RickO

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Still a nice looking coin. 👍

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    dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2023 1:21PM

    @asheland said:
    Still a nice looking coin. 👍

    Thank you! It actually just arrived today and it is much nicer in hand than expected. :)

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dsessom said:

    @asheland said:
    Still a nice looking coin. 👍

    Thank you! It actually just arrived today and it is much nicer in hand than expected. :)

    That’s awesome! Congratulations. 👍

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    MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The medal pictured below has something similar on Washington's cheek, a teardrop shaped depression with no evidence of disturbed metal to indicate it is post-strike in origin. Just above the teardrop is a smaller depression and continuing in a line to the forehead hair is evidence of a crack. Things like this happen but are pretty infrequent.

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