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I have this 1884-O Morgan

I wondering if will straight grade?
Feel free to tell me what it might grade if it will.
The mirrors are fantastic. I have to move this coin at just the right angle to pop this light but obvious scratch out. It looks harsh in the image but its really light. Once you know it there, you know it's there. It is not at all obvious as you can see in my images. I like to keep it real so I am asking.
While I am at it how can I determine if its DMPL.
This is from my own little hoard of Morgan's. I did not buy these as any particular type of special Morgan. This is from my very old hoard.



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  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s hard to know for certain, but I think it would straight grade.
    I’ve seen, and have in my own collection, much deeper and more obvious scratches that are straight graded. Older holders, and they’ll remain there!
    Standards may have gotten tighter?

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  • Unc Details - Scratched

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,585 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice looking coin. That mark appears to be a "hairline" and not a scratch, per se, and based on my interpretation of all images it should straight grade. Based on your other images, I think you turned the coin just into the greatest reflection to catch that mark.

    As far as DMPL mirrors; PCGS defines a DMPL as "clear reflectivity" at 6", with the PL designation at 2 to 4". The easiest way to check this is hold the coin perpendicular to a newsprint and see how far out on the page you can clearly read the text.


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  • It's DMPL for sure than. I absolutely tipped the coin at just the right angle to catch it and it's not easy. I think it's a hairline myself. I have a couple of Morgan's with scratches. This may not be one. Still I like other opinions. I won't know until I send it in.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS61PL

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,531 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks to me as ex-jewelry (mounted in a bezel) as the rims are buggered and that doesn't compute with the rest of the coin.
    bob :)

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  • bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can't really tell by the pics if it's Pl or Dmpl. The last closeup makes me not think either. Most likely not dmpl. It does look Unc though but I'm at the bottom of the totem pole with this one at MS60.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The pictures are so different from one another that I don’t feel that I know what the coin looks like. For example, the last picture seems to show obverse scratches which would result in a details grade, while the others don’t even hint at that.
    A number of your posts seem very focused on PL and DMPL surfaces, while at the same time, ignoring other aspects of the coins.

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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,963 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a body bag candidate for scratches and maybe PL.

    When in doubt, don't.
  • It could be that I'm using LED lights. I have had this coin for years. It's one of two with mirror surfaces. I decided to post images of it today because it's to cold to do anything else today.
    I like the coin and wanted to share it with you guys.
    It has not been mounted. That I can tell.

  • AtcarrollAtcarroll Posts: 342 ✭✭✭

    @AUandAG said:
    Looks to me as ex-jewelry (mounted in a bezel) as the rims are buggered and that doesn't compute with the rest of the coin.
    bob :)

    A lot of new Orleans morgans have that issue, i think it's related to die and collar clearance in the presses.

  • Mark to answer your concern, I fully agree with you. I had to flash the coin at just the right angle to reveal this scratch. It's not a heads up scratch. I just happened to catch it when looking at it under lighting.
    Thank you guys for responding. I really appreciate the professional responses.

  • @dcarr said:
    MS61PL

    Works for me and thank you

  • 124Spider124Spider Posts: 843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My non-expert grade is also MS61, and possibly prooflike.

    Even if it straight grades at that, (i) it still will have the scratch, and (ii) the Greysheet value now is $128. To me, there would be no economic incentive to have this coin graded.

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,751 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My best guess from the photos is 50/50 details or MS60, maybe PL but does not look DMPL from the photos. But PL or DMPL are very difficult to assess from even the best photos.

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  • @coinbuf said:
    My best guess from the photos is 50/50 details or MS60, maybe PL but does not look DMPL from the photos. But PL or DMPL are very difficult to assess from even the best photos.

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe MS60/1 PL, the obverse is marked up and that scratch is pretty prominent so they will notice it in grading.
    I would not send this one in, if offered to anyone they should be able to easily tell it's a generic PL Unc without PCGS telling them so.

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