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Clip or PMD on this raw Morgan?

CladiatorCladiator Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭✭

I'll be the first to admit I know next to zero about errors and such things. Looking to you error aficionados to chime in and and educate me a bit with this one.

Thanks for the help in advance. ;)






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    dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks more like post mint damage. Usually clips go all the way through the coin because of the sheer pressure on the dies as they close. However, this one is just on the very edge so it might be a clip, but I'm leaning more toward PMD.

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2023 4:20PM

    I'm in the clip column. I think I see the Blakesley Effect.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2023 4:32PM

    Me, too.

    If it's real it might qualify as a rim clip.

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    bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fred has spoken and now we all know. Thanks for chiming in Fred!

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bsshog40 said:
    Fred has spoken and now we all know. Thanks for chiming in Fred!

    We can put this thread to bed. Mission complete!

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    CladiatorCladiator Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What's going on with the edge? The reeding appears to have not been imparted onto the coin on the obverse side. The blank edge goes from 10%'ish to about 50% as you move around the coin. Is that an artifact of the rim clip error or another issue all together?

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    jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Clip AND tilted partial collar. Nice!

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2023 7:41PM

    You nailed it – I didn’t notice that in the first set of photos

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors
    for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
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    CladiatorCladiator Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Of those two errors does one cause the other or did they happen independently? Sorry for all the questions, just soaking this stuff up here.

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    GoldenEggGoldenEgg Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cladiator said:
    Of those two errors does one cause the other or did they happen independently? Sorry for all the questions, just soaking this stuff up here.

    Clipped planchet errors occur concurrently with partial collar and off center strikes often enough that there must be a correlation, in my opinion. It’s possible that a clip can cause a slight issue with the feeding mechanism or cause it to sit funny within the collar, which causes the striking issues. This is just speculation on my part.

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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Genuine clip and partial collar, and all on a Denver issue which is the scarcest of the three that year for errors. That Morgan is a winner in my book.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice find.... and great confirmation by @FredWeinberg .... Thanks for the excellent pictures. Cheers, RickO

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