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Has anyone ever seen double die on the reverse of a 1912 S $10 Indian coin??

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @rsei0120 said:
    Has anyone ever seen double die on the reverse of a 1912 S $10 Indian coin??

    I've never seen a doubled die on an Indian gold $10. If you think you have one, please post a pic.

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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do you have one that you suspect has doubling? If so, some pictures would help.


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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @rsei0120 said:
    Has anyone ever seen double die on the reverse of a 1912 S $10 Indian coin??

    That's a pretty broad yet very specific question. What might have made you ask? In most cases where someone thinks they have something, quality images go much, much farther toward getting worthwhile answers than just questions.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Please post clear images and magnified image of the specific area. Cheers, RickO

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    rsei0120rsei0120 Posts: 127 ✭✭

    As soon as I get it....Yes I took y'all advice and I am purchasing some coins....lol....I just purchased this one as soon as it comes I will takes pictures and post, I really need you to look at it as well, to make sure....could just be the light on pictures of it...I won it in an Auction an Oil Barron's estate collection out of OK, I am excited and I feel I got it for a good price,

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    rsei0120rsei0120 Posts: 127 ✭✭

    I know sounds stupid, but if I wanted to answer a person back rather than everyone How do I do it

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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2023 10:16AM

    Hit "quote" under their post.

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    DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @rsei0120 said:
    As soon as I get it....Yes I took y'all advice and I am purchasing some coins....lol....I just purchased this one as soon as it comes I will takes pictures and post, I really need you to look at it as well, to make sure....could just be the light on pictures of it...I won it in an Auction an Oil Barron's estate collection out of OK, I am excited and I feel I got it for a good price,

    How about just showing us the auction photos that led you to purchase the coin? Surely the perceived error that you’re speaking of can be observed in those photos, no?

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looking at your other posts you seem to be buying some very expensive coins for being so early into your collecting. That can almost only end in painful lessons for a new collector. I would suggest pumping the brakes just a bit to get more familiar with things before jumping in with both feet. Is there a coin shop local to you?

    That being said I am unaware of a 1912-S $10 DDO

    Collector, occasional seller

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    justindanjustindan Posts: 697 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2023 4:52PM

    Looking around online looks like they don't have a great reputation.
    https://www.bbb.org/us/tx/dallas/profile/online-auctions/gold-standard-auctions-0875-91131566

    Wow the terms & conditions section is crazy.

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,672 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ouch! The patterns of complaints covers all the major categories. Poor imaging, sellers not vetted, inaccurate valuations. Good luck

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @justindan said:
    Looking around online looks like they don't have a great reputation.
    https://www.bbb.org/us/tx/dallas/profile/online-auctions/gold-standard-auctions-0875-91131566

    Wow the terms & conditions section is crazy.

    YIKES!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.

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    rsei0120rsei0120 Posts: 127 ✭✭

    I have to reformat the videos of the obverse and reverse...my daughter helped me with a video

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    rsei0120rsei0120 Posts: 127 ✭✭
    edited February 7, 2023 9:35PM

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    rsei0120rsei0120 Posts: 127 ✭✭

    @DeplorableDan said:

    @rsei0120 said:
    As soon as I get it....Yes I took y'all advice and I am purchasing some coins....lol....I just purchased this one as soon as it comes I will takes pictures and post, I really need you to look at it as well, to make sure....could just be the light on pictures of it...I won it in an Auction an Oil Barron's estate collection out of OK, I am excited and I feel I got it for a good price,

    How about just showing us the auction photos that led you to purchase the coin? Surely the perceived error that you’re speaking of can be observed in those photos, no?

    Just sent them

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    rsei0120rsei0120 Posts: 127 ✭✭

    @ChrisH821 said:
    Looking at your other posts you seem to be buying some very expensive coins for being so early into your collecting. That can almost only end in painful lessons for a new collector. I would suggest pumping the brakes just a bit to get more familiar with things before jumping in with both feet. Is there a coin shop local to you?

    That being said I am unaware of a 1912-S $10 DDO

    I wish, we have been looking for a reputable one,

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    rsei0120rsei0120 Posts: 127 ✭✭

    We have some coins we want to take to get looked at, to help us with some decisions , if anyone knows of any in the Fort Worth, Weatherford, Dallas or surround area, please let us know their information, pictures are hard to take sometimes to be able to have someone help it pretty hard for them to get an idea. Thank you all so much, after we read some of the comments, it was yikes, but I feel we were blessed, and trying to look for things, we feel it was not bad for my first buy., I paid $1,000 for it, other's were going for a lot more, however I had my limit set, there were some that looked really good until you blew them up and it was oh lord no...Yes can't do nor do I want to do this much again but I really like this coin...would like to get a 1911-S, but will wait, thinking about going to Vegas March 29, just to look... and learn, don't know any local shows right now, would love to go to some just to learn

    Again thank you all so much for your advice We really do appreciate it

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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭✭✭

    yeah......No!

    Tom

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For anyone else thinking of bidding on gold standard auctions, DON'T unless you know what you are doing. I know another coin dealer I've befriended who has been screwed several times over by them. Their images do not generally match the condition of the coin and they juice their images to hide defects.

    With careful lowball bidding and a lot of close research beforehand, I've had a couple decent picks but they are far and few between!

    @rsei0120 yes go to a few shows where you can, Vegas, long Beach, etc. There is nothing like seeing coins in hand and many dealers will be happy to give you tips. You would be wise to avoid buying much on the internet until you have actually seen some coins in hand and learn to grade. Pcgs has a whole series on how to grade on YouTube if you have not seen it yet.

    Please be careful out there. We don't want to see you get discouraged by making mistakes and getting burned. I've been there and done that. It's exciting but can get you in too deep very quick!

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    AntebellumGoldAntebellumGold Posts: 71 ✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2023 5:23AM

    @rsei0120 said:
    We have some coins we want to take to get looked at, to help us with some decisions , if anyone knows of any in the Fort Worth, Weatherford, Dallas or surround area, please let us know their information, pictures are hard to take sometimes to be able to have someone help it pretty hard for them to get an idea. Thank you all so much, after we read some of the comments, it was yikes, but I feel we were blessed, and trying to look for things, we feel it was not bad for my first buy., I paid $1,000 for it, other's were going for a lot more, however I had my limit set, there were some that looked really good until you blew them up and it was oh lord no...Yes can't do nor do I want to do this much again but I really like this coin...would like to get a 1911-S, but will wait, thinking about going to Vegas March 29, just to look... and learn, don't know any** local shows** right now, would love to go to some just to learn

    Again thank you all so much for your advice We really do appreciate it

    The Grapevine show is this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday at the Grapevine Convention Center.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Respectfully, I see no doubling. A circ 1912-S is worth $1500 max, full retail. If i were buying that coin I wouldn't pay more than 1100, 1200 if I really loved it.

    Here's a much nicer one that sold for $1560 in December.

    1912-S $10 AU58 NGC. NGC Census: (464/328). PCGS Population: (314/583). CDN: $1,114.80.Whsle. Bid for NGC/PCGS AU58. Mintag... https://coins.ha.com/itm/indian-eagles/1912-s-10-au58-ngc-ngc-census-464-328-pcgs-population-314-583-cdn-1-11480whsle-bid-for-ngc-pcgs-au58-mintag/a/1351-7360.s

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    There is no doubling on that coin

    A true doubled die will stand out beyond reasonable doubt

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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I recommend buying gold coins like this in graded slabs until you get more familiar with them.

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2023 8:32AM

    @Goldminers said:
    I recommend buying gold coins like this in graded slabs until you get more familiar with them.

    And not segs or others... Pcgs or ngc if you want an honest grade. ANACS is OK too but they are a little looser at times in their grading than the other 2.

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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do you see this? I do not see this...


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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,552 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not see any die doubling.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
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    Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not seeing any doubling. I see some contact marks. One of the best tells for doubled die is split serifs at the corners of the letters where they narrow to a small point. Like a doubled tip on the tip of a "T" or something.

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    @DeplorableDan said:

    @rsei0120 said:
    As soon as I get it....Yes I took y'all advice and I am purchasing some coins....lol....I just purchased this one as soon as it comes I will takes pictures and post, I really need you to look at it as well, to make sure....could just be the light on pictures of it...I won it in an Auction an Oil Barron's estate collection out of OK, I am excited and I feel I got it for a good price,

    How about just showing us the auction photos that led you to purchase the coin? Surely the perceived error that you’re speaking of can be observed in those photos, no?

    Just sent them

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Respectfully, I see no doubling. A circ 1912-S is worth $1500 max, full retail. If i were buying that coin I wouldn't pay more than 1100, 1200 if I really loved it.

    Here's a much nicer one that sold for $1560 in December.

    1912-S $10 AU58 NGC. NGC Census: (464/328). PCGS Population: (314/583). CDN: $1,114.80.Whsle. Bid for NGC/PCGS AU58. Mintag... https://coins.ha.com/itm/indian-eagles/1912-s-10-au58-ngc-ngc-census-464-328-pcgs-population-314-583-cdn-1-11480whsle-bid-for-ngc-pcgs-au58-mintag/a/1351-7360.s

    Thank you so much

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