1984 penny weird error?

Shane6596

Hello everyone, new guy here. My kids got into coin collecting a few months ago. They recently got into error coins, so i bought them one of those cheap microscopes to look closer. They found a strange error that we cant identify the name for. Its on the IN GOD WE area and looks like a doubling but looks smeared or pulled, i dont know.

Ill try to attach some pics. Thanks for any help on this.

Shane,
Buffalo,NY

jmlanzaf

Looks more like what's called pull away toning.

If raised, it might be die deterioration.

Shane6596

Its flat, even a little below the field level even. It seems like that area was stamped and then pulled which doesnt seem possible.

Steven59

Just die deterioration. The flow of metal during the strike goes towards the rim, eventually the flow wears out the die causing this problem.

Shane6596

Makes sense, ill pass the info along to kids so they know if they see it again.

Thanks

emeraldATV

No outline, or lets say scratches, of the letters, are present.
It's a wash on your theory , I would say.
Better photos could prove me wrong, bubba.
Keep at it.
Cool

Steven59

@Shane6596 said:
Makes sense, ill pass the info along to kids so they know if they see it again.

Thanks

You also have a "ridge ring" forming inbetween the coin rim and the letters (details) - another tell tale sign of DD (Die Deterioration)

jesbroken

Nice die crack across Abe's head and chin and neck. I like it.
Jim

Shane6596

Quick question on double die errors, is the coin struck twice with same die and it gets off slightly on second hit? I looked it up online but they went off on a tangent about true doubling and machine doubling, me and the kids just went glassy eyed after that explanation.

I dont want to run this thread off track, but ill post just one more they found and let us know if its true double or machine so we can get a reference idea for future coin searching. Thanks. The 1990 part has what looks like 2 distinct sets of numbers to us.

lcutler

@Shane6596 said:
Quick question on double die errors, is the coin struck twice with same die and it gets off slightly on second hit? I looked it up online but they went off on a tangent about true doubling and machine doubling, me and the kids just went glassy eyed after that explanation.

I dont want to run this thread off track, but ill post just one more they found and let us know if its true double or machine so we can get a reference idea for future coin searching. Thanks. The 1990 part has what looks like 2 distinct sets of numbers to us.

A true doubled die is not a coin that is struck twice. When a die is made it takes multiple pressings to impress the image into the die. If there is movement between the pressings, the image on the die is doubled. Every coin struck from this die will have the same doubling.

jmlanzaf

@lcutler said:

@Shane6596 said:
Quick question on double die errors, is the coin struck twice with same die and it gets off slightly on second hit? I looked it up online but they went off on a tangent about true doubling and machine doubling, me and the kids just went glassy eyed after that explanation.

I dont want to run this thread off track, but ill post just one more they found and let us know if its true double or machine so we can get a reference idea for future coin searching. Thanks. The 1990 part has what looks like 2

A true doubled die is not a coin that is struck twice. When a die is made it takes multiple pressings to impress the image into the die. If there is movement between the pressings, the image on the die is doubled. Every coin struck from this die will have the same doubling.

I will add that the machine doubling is due to the coin moving while being struck. This is a common, non-repeatable defect.

A "doubled die" is doubling on the die itself as @lcutler pointed out and the name implies. These errors are 100% reproducible. If you have a coin you think is a doubled die error, the first thing you should do is compare it to known errors on sites like varietyvista.com It must match EXACTLY or it is probably machine doubling.

ricko

@Shane6596.... Welcome aboard. Coin collecting is a great hobby, especially when done with your kids. Get a Redbook, available online or in any book store.... You and your kids will enjoy it and find a wealth of information. Cheers, RickO

Shane6596

Thanks for all the info. It makes sense now that the doubling is on the die while its made and then the die will create a certain amount of doubled coins.

Ill get the kids some coin books.

It seems like this could be a fun hobby for them.

BuffaloIronTail

@Shane6596 said:
Thanks for all the info. It makes sense now that the doubling is on the die while its made and then the die will create a certain amount of doubled coins.

Ill get the kids some coin books.

It seems like this could be a fun hobby for them.

Believe me.

It will be.

Pete