I’m thrilled just to see a surviving 73-P that we know arrived in an Asian port city and made it back, polished or not. The PCGS survival estimate of 100 has to be off by a factor of at least 4-5x. Pop of 10?! Wild how scarce that is!
Similar feeling as with my badly beat up and cleaned 73-CC. But P certainly takes the scarcity cake (and frequent flyer miles for starting in Philly).
These coins were specifically created for trade with the orient. Chop marks aren’t just numismatically interesting, I would argue that having an example is necessary if you want to collect trade dollars or US type coins. My rationale is that it demonstrates that the coin fulfilled its purpose by traveling to the orient and being used by its intended recipients. A trade dollar that stayed pristine in the US and didn’t fulfill its intended purpose is actually less interesting.
@lermish said:
Thanks @spyglassdesign , appreciate it but I think that picture obscures how badly it's been polished. I'm not the biggest fan of buying something just to fill a hole but the 73-P can easily go 5+ years without showing up on the open market; coin facts has no auction records period. So I got it anyway 😐
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If it might be 5 years to find another, I would turn it into a pocket piece. The reverse line above AMERICA, is that a chopmark or damage / scrape?
@lermish said:
Thanks @spyglassdesign , appreciate it but I think that picture obscures how badly it's been polished. I'm not the biggest fan of buying something just to fill a hole but the 73-P can easily go 5+ years without showing up on the open market; coin facts has no auction records period. So I got it anyway 😐
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If it might be 5 years to find another, I would turn it into a pocket piece. The reverse line above AMERICA, is that a chopmark or damage / scrape?
It's too scarce in my opinion to turn into a pocket piece... Can't take a chance of losing it somewhere because there are just so few of them left.
I would like to think that the reverse mark is a chisel mark which are commonly seen... but it doesn't look like any that I've seen. I think it's most likely damage.
@fiftysevener said:
Damaged coins may have a place as a historical bookmark but not as solid numismatic material. Seems like 9 of 10 Trades offered for sale are Details or Chopmarked.
This Chopmarked stuff (either NGC or PCGS) goes against the TPGs surface preservation guidlines. In this day and age even more absurdities will be showcased if money can be made. A chopmark on the obverse means DAMAGE on the reverse.
My Trades will only be original straight graded coins and very scarce as such.
Absurdities like you coming into a thread specifically for chopmarked collectors to bash how we like to collect? I've got news for you, none of your coins in perfect condition as they were the moment they were minted. They have bag marks or circulation wear or any number of other issues. And deciding that what a TPG has to say about "surface preservation guidelines" is like the gospel handed down from heaven is beyond absurd. How did people collect before TPGs?
By the way, I can guarantee you that I have several straight graded chopmarked coins (and CAC approved if you care about that) that are MUCH more scarce than any trade dollars you have. So I guess you are just collecting common trash?
Pound sand.
@Ntwillia10 Here's a pic...unfortunately my ugliest coin by far. I guess I'll wait 5-10 years to upgrade and then flip it
Thanks so much for the admonishment and you sure have shown your true colors ! Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?
@fiftysevener you effectively called, and I'm paraphrasing, what some people here collect, trash. Maybe that wasn't your intent but that's the way it came across. If you don't like to collect something that's OK. You could have just said you consider them damaged coins (even though they were used exactly as intended), and you don't collect them and leave it at that, but to say they have no numismatic value is nonsense. The bids prove otherwise. They absolutely have numismatic (ie above the value of the metal content) and historical value.
@spyglassdesign said: @fiftysevener you effectively called, and I'm paraphrasing, what some people here collect, trash. Maybe that wasn't your intent but that's the way it came across. If you don't like to collect something that's OK. You could have just said you consider them damaged coins (even though they were used exactly as intended), and you don't collect them and leave it at that, but to say they have no numismatic value is nonsense. The bids prove otherwise. They absolutely have numismatic (ie above the value of the metal content) and historical value.
Please reread my post. I certainly was not referring to these chopmarked Trade Dollars as trash. My point was to give straight grades on coins that have Grafitti seems to be counter productive to establishing consistancy in grading.
Thats okay just my thoughts.
@fiftysevener said:
Damaged coins may have a place as a historical bookmark but not as solid numismatic material. Seems like 9 of 10 Trades offered for sale are Details or Chopmarked.
This Chopmarked stuff (either NGC or PCGS) goes against the TPGs surface preservation guidlines. In this day and age even more absurdities will be showcased if money can be made. A chopmark on the obverse means DAMAGE on the reverse.
My Trades will only be original straight graded coins and very scarce as such.
Absurdities like you coming into a thread specifically for chopmarked collectors to bash how we like to collect? I've got news for you, none of your coins in perfect condition as they were the moment they were minted. They have bag marks or circulation wear or any number of other issues. And deciding that what a TPG has to say about "surface preservation guidelines" is like the gospel handed down from heaven is beyond absurd. How did people collect before TPGs?
By the way, I can guarantee you that I have several straight graded chopmarked coins (and CAC approved if you care about that) that are MUCH more scarce than any trade dollars you have. So I guess you are just collecting common trash?
Pound sand.
@Ntwillia10 Here's a pic...unfortunately my ugliest coin by far. I guess I'll wait 5-10 years to upgrade and then flip it
Thanks so much for the admonishment and you sure have shown your true colors ! Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?
The coin collecting community is small and the vast majority of us are thoughtful and kind or at least won't go out of our way to call someone else's collection/preferences "absurd". I don't care for moderns or Morgans or dipped coins or all sorts of other things that other people greatly enjoy. That's my choice. What you won't find me doing is showing up in their threads to tell them how much I hate their passion and that what they collect is unworthy of numismatics.
So, that being said, I repeat my original intention (and only this nicely because there are community rules to follow). Pound sand.
@fiftysevener and I quote: "In this day and age even more absurdities will be showcased if money can be made."
The chops are considered intended use of the coin, therefore they are both historical and numismatically important, again as seen by the bids on them.
You are the one that called them absurd. You could have avoided the drama by simply saying you disagree with the standards and left it at that. Your words show your contempt... And that's OK if you feel contempt towards the policy and these coins, but you can't blame people for feeling defensive about what they collect when someone comes along and calls it absurd.
Thanks so much for the admonishment and you sure have shown your true colors ! Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?
Please tell me you also see the irony of your question, no?
What irony commenting on how TPGs straight grade chopmarked Trade Dollars, then being told to pound sand ?
In response to you asking:
"Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?"
He was expressing his opinion within this thread's 'free thought' of which you encourage yet you asking why he is here.
It just came off as a bit comical upon first blush.
Thanks so much for the admonishment and you sure have shown your true colors ! Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?
Please tell me you also see the irony of your question, no?
What irony commenting on how TPGs straight grade chopmarked Trade Dollars, then being told to pound sand ?
In response to you asking:
"Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?"
He was expressing his opinion within this thread's 'free thought' of which you encourage yet you asking why he is here.
It just came off as a bit comical upon first blush.
All sounds comical to me. All except my first idea that these chopmarked coins are straight graded. Sure they have some historical significance and sure they are collectable but boy you folks sure have a short string. Enjoy what you collect and common sense thinking be damned.
Thanks so much for the admonishment and you sure have shown your true colors ! Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?
Please tell me you also see the irony of your question, no?
What irony commenting on how TPGs straight grade chopmarked Trade Dollars, then being told to pound sand ?
In response to you asking:
"Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?"
He was expressing his opinion within this thread's 'free thought' of which you encourage yet you asking why he is here.
It just came off as a bit comical upon first blush.
All sounds comical to me. All except my first idea that these chopmarked coins are straight graded. Sure they have some historical significance and sure they are collectable but boy you folks sure have a short string. Enjoy what you collect and common sense thinking be damned.
So now it's not common sense to collect a coin that was used as intended? Wow.
Let's take the bickering elsewhere so the rest of us can discuss chopped trade coins per my original posts and the ones who have added please.
Thanks so much for the admonishment and you sure have shown your true colors ! Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?
Please tell me you also see the irony of your question, no?
What irony commenting on how TPGs straight grade chopmarked Trade Dollars, then being told to pound sand ?
In response to you asking:
"Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?"
He was expressing his opinion within this thread's 'free thought' of which you encourage yet you asking why he is here.
It just came off as a bit comical upon first blush.
All sounds comical to me. All except my first idea that these chopmarked coins are straight graded. Sure they have some historical significance and sure they are collectable but boy you folks sure have a short string. Enjoy what you collect and common sense thinking be damned.
OMG what an unbelievable [redacted]. GTFOH with your ridiculous opinions and attitude.
I can't wait until you post something so that I can come in and tell you that I think that you're an idiot for collecting what you like and that it has no value and you lack common sense for even thinking it's a worthwhile coin.
Thanks so much for the admonishment and you sure have shown your true colors ! Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?
Please tell me you also see the irony of your question, no?
What irony commenting on how TPGs straight grade chopmarked Trade Dollars, then being told to pound sand ?
In response to you asking:
"Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?"
He was expressing his opinion within this thread's 'free thought' of which you encourage yet you asking why he is here.
It just came off as a bit comical upon first blush.
All sounds comical to me. All except my first idea that these chopmarked coins are straight graded. Sure they have some historical significance and sure they are collectable but boy you folks sure have a short string. Enjoy what you collect and common sense thinking be damned.
OMG what an unbelievable [redacted]. GTFOH with your ridiculous opinions and attitude.
I can't wait until you post something so that I can come in and tell you that I think that you're an idiot for collecting what you like and that it has no value and you lack common sense for even thinking it's a worthwhile coin.
Why are you such a mean person. Is there a moderator watching ? Now you are becoming vendictive ?
Thanks so much for the admonishment and you sure have shown your true colors ! Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?
Please tell me you also see the irony of your question, no?
What irony commenting on how TPGs straight grade chopmarked Trade Dollars, then being told to pound sand ?
In response to you asking:
"Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?"
He was expressing his opinion within this thread's 'free thought' of which you encourage yet you asking why he is here.
It just came off as a bit comical upon first blush.
All sounds comical to me. All except my first idea that these chopmarked coins are straight graded. Sure they have some historical significance and sure they are collectable but boy you folks sure have a short string. Enjoy what you collect and common sense thinking be damned.
So now it's not common sense to collect a coin that was used as intended? Wow.
Let's take the bickering elsewhere so the rest of us can discuss chopped trade coins per my original posts and the ones who have added please.
Whatever you do to twist my words around only sinks this thread to the lowest of standards. It's all yours now.
Thanks so much for the admonishment and you sure have shown your true colors ! Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?
Please tell me you also see the irony of your question, no?
What irony commenting on how TPGs straight grade chopmarked Trade Dollars, then being told to pound sand ?
In response to you asking:
"Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?"
He was expressing his opinion within this thread's 'free thought' of which you encourage yet you asking why he is here.
It just came off as a bit comical upon first blush.
All sounds comical to me. All except my first idea that these chopmarked coins are straight graded. Sure they have some historical significance and sure they are collectable but boy you folks sure have a short string. Enjoy what you collect and common sense thinking be damned.
OMG what an unbelievable [redacted]. GTFOH with your ridiculous opinions and attitude.
I can't wait until you post something so that I can come in and tell you that I think that you're an idiot for collecting what you like and that it has no value and you lack common sense for even thinking it's a worthwhile coin.
Why are you such a mean person. Is there a moderator watching ? Now you are becoming vendictive ?
How oblivious can one person be? You think I'm vindictive? You just did that exact same thing here. 🙄🙄🙄
You can blame me for the numerical grades - David Hall saw my collection and said we can grade those - do you think we should? I said yeah and here we are. The numerical grade takes the remaining details of the coin into account while ignoring the basic chops.
But let me correct one misconception- they are NOT straight graded. They are assigned a numerical grade and designated ‘chopmarked’. No straight grade as the designation is part of the grade.
Thanks so much for the admonishment and you sure have shown your true colors ! Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?
Please tell me you also see the irony of your question, no?
What irony commenting on how TPGs straight grade chopmarked Trade Dollars, then being told to pound sand ?
In response to you asking:
"Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?"
He was expressing his opinion within this thread's 'free thought' of which you encourage yet you asking why he is here.
It just came off as a bit comical upon first blush.
All sounds comical to me. All except my first idea that these chopmarked coins are straight graded. Sure they have some historical significance and sure they are collectable but boy you folks sure have a short string. Enjoy what you collect and common sense thinking be damned.
So now it's not common sense to collect a coin that was used as intended? Wow.
Let's take the bickering elsewhere so the rest of us can discuss chopped trade coins per my original posts and the ones who have added please.
Whatever you do to twist my words around only sinks this thread to the lowest of standards. It's all yours now.
I didn't twist your words. I explained how they were likely taken, since you didn't seem to understand why some here took offense at them.
@tradedollarnut said:
You can blame me for the numerical grades - David Hall saw my collection and said we can grade those - do you think we should? I said yeah and here we are. The numerical grade takes the remaining details of the coin into account while ignoring the basic chops.
But let me correct one misconception- they are NOT straight graded. They are assigned a numerical grade and designated ‘chopmarked’. No straight grade as the designation is part of the grade.
I've always wondered why people get so pantytwist that PCGS assigns a numerical grade to chopmarked trade dollars. To me, chopmarks add spice to the hobby, taking otherwise identical looking coins and adding historical variety. Agree with TDN, thanks PCGS for offering this service.
@DDR said: @lermish It is gorgeous. PCGS graded it MS-64 Chop Mark. I am tempted to send it in to see if I can get the +.
Never seen that happen before, don't think there are any in the Pop Reports. The flat 64 seems to be the artificial limit in place by PCGS; you and I have both seen coins that would probably hit 65 without the chops.
@DDR said: @lermish It is gorgeous. PCGS graded it MS-64 Chop Mark. I am tempted to send it in to see if I can get the +.
Never seen that happen before, don't think there are any in the Pop Reports. The flat 64 seems to be the artificial limit in place by PCGS; you and I have both seen coins that would probably hit 65 without the chops.
I think I remember reading that somewhere about a top of 64 for chopped trades but don't remember where or when 🤔
@DDR said: @lermish It is gorgeous. PCGS graded it MS-64 Chop Mark. I am tempted to send it in to see if I can get the +.
Never seen that happen before, don't think there are any in the Pop Reports. The flat 64 seems to be the artificial limit in place by PCGS; you and I have both seen coins that would probably hit 65 without the chops.
Same with chopped PL designation...I know there must be some MS 77-S (and 76-P but tough to find those at all) out there that would qualify but none so far.
This trade dollar is identified as ngc Unc chop marked. I'm wondering what pcgs might grade it? Would they potentially straight grade it noting the chops? I'm not sure what's going on to the left of Ms Liberty... Could that be considered damage, or a possible messed up chop?
What's your thoughts on how pcgs would handle this coin if attempted to cross?
FYI not my coin but is under consideration. I like the toning and usually I avoid chopped or counter stamped coins but this one is a cc and the chops aren't overly distracting to me.
Not found by me but since it was brought to my attention I thought I would follow up on this if anyone is curious.
Still a very attractive coin IMO but....UNC Cleaned.
This trade dollar is identified as ngc Unc chop marked. I'm wondering what pcgs might grade it? Would they potentially straight grade it noting the chops? I'm not sure what's going on to the left of Ms Liberty... Could that be considered damage, or a possible messed up chop?
What's your thoughts on how pcgs would handle this coin if attempted to cross?
FYI not my coin but is under consideration. I like the toning and usually I avoid chopped or counter stamped coins but this one is a cc and the chops aren't overly distracting to me.
Not found by me but since it was brought to my attention I thought I would follow up on this if anyone is curious.
Still a very attractive coin IMO but....UNC Cleaned.
Ah now we know why it was Unc... But yes still attractive. Someone, whoever ended up with it did end up trying to cross it after all.
Wonderfully looking chopped Trade Dollar, what does the Legend pedigree represent ie who was the collector and is the pedigree significant in any way, just wondering out loud
@RobertScotLover said:
Wonderfully looking chopped Trade Dollar, what does the Legend pedigree represent ie who was the collector and is the pedigree significant in any way, just wondering out loud
Legend is @tradedollarnut . He had an astoundingly high quality set of chopmarked trade dollars. The set has since been disbursed - many of the coins are still top pops.
I can shed some light on the pedigree of that particular 77-S: That coin comes from the Legend Chopmarked Trade Dollar Collection that I purchased from @TDN back in 2017. I kept about half of Bruce's collection and incorporated those coins into my collection. Those that I did not keep I sold; this one was sold to @OriginalDan, also I think in 2017. Not sure where Bruce acquired it or where it has been since I sold it to Dan. It's a beautiful coin.
Very cool discussion with some terrific coins as well as numismatic history. I may have read it and then forgotten, but @tradedollarnut do you know when PCGS started to give numerical grades to chop-marked Trade Dollars? I ask because I currently own one chop-marked TD and purchased it from a PCGS board member off the BST. It was already graded by PCGS with a numerical grade and I remember thinking that it must be a new service to give a number. This was in 2007.
I’ll have to do a bit of looking but that year sounds appx correct. It was the big Pcgs display of my full trade dollar set. They graded them when I gave them the chopmark’s as an add on to the display
Thank you for looking up the information. It seems amazing that it has been almost exactly 21-years since PCGS started to give a numerical grade to chop-marked TDs.
@tradedollarnut said:
I still have never seen an 1875 Philly trade dollar with a chop. Seen many the 75-S or CC with damage in the mint mark area passed off as one, though.
SO you don't think these are 75-Ps? Not the most attention to detail from the graders...
@tradedollarnut said:
Pretty sure I bought that raw off of eBay but can’t swear to that. The only coins I can recall not buying off eBay were the 74CC, 76CC and 76S
@tradedollarnut said:
I still have never seen an 1875 Philly trade dollar with a chop. Seen many the 75-S or CC with damage in the mint mark area passed off as one, though.
SO you don't think these are 75-Ps? Not the most attention to detail from the graders...
The liberty Seated Collector club just had an article about chopmarked Trade Dollars in the Gobrecht Journal this year. I learned quite a lot. this is an area I know little about. James
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@lermish Ah I see... still not a terrible eyesore imo. Maybe some day you will get to upgrade it!
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I’m thrilled just to see a surviving 73-P that we know arrived in an Asian port city and made it back, polished or not. The PCGS survival estimate of 100 has to be off by a factor of at least 4-5x. Pop of 10?! Wild how scarce that is!
Similar feeling as with my badly beat up and cleaned 73-CC. But P certainly takes the scarcity cake (and frequent flyer miles for starting in Philly).
These coins were specifically created for trade with the orient. Chop marks aren’t just numismatically interesting, I would argue that having an example is necessary if you want to collect trade dollars or US type coins. My rationale is that it demonstrates that the coin fulfilled its purpose by traveling to the orient and being used by its intended recipients. A trade dollar that stayed pristine in the US and didn’t fulfill its intended purpose is actually less interesting.
If it might be 5 years to find another, I would turn it into a pocket piece. The reverse line above AMERICA, is that a chopmark or damage / scrape?
It's too scarce in my opinion to turn into a pocket piece... Can't take a chance of losing it somewhere because there are just so few of them left.
I would like to think that the reverse mark is a chisel mark which are commonly seen... but it doesn't look like any that I've seen. I think it's most likely damage.
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
Thanks so much for the admonishment and you sure have shown your true colors ! Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?
Please tell me you also see the irony of your question, no?
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@fiftysevener you effectively called, and I'm paraphrasing, what some people here collect, trash. Maybe that wasn't your intent but that's the way it came across. If you don't like to collect something that's OK. You could have just said you consider them damaged coins (even though they were used exactly as intended), and you don't collect them and leave it at that, but to say they have no numismatic value is nonsense. The bids prove otherwise. They absolutely have numismatic (ie above the value of the metal content) and historical value.
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Be like Ricko. He only liked blast white but showed respect for those who like toned.
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Please reread my post. I certainly was not referring to these chopmarked Trade Dollars as trash. My point was to give straight grades on coins that have Grafitti seems to be counter productive to establishing consistancy in grading.
Thats okay just my thoughts.
The coin collecting community is small and the vast majority of us are thoughtful and kind or at least won't go out of our way to call someone else's collection/preferences "absurd". I don't care for moderns or Morgans or dipped coins or all sorts of other things that other people greatly enjoy. That's my choice. What you won't find me doing is showing up in their threads to tell them how much I hate their passion and that what they collect is unworthy of numismatics.
So, that being said, I repeat my original intention (and only this nicely because there are community rules to follow). Pound sand.
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
What irony commenting on how TPGs straight grade chopmarked Trade Dollars, then being told to pound sand ?
@fiftysevener and I quote: "In this day and age even more absurdities will be showcased if money can be made."
The chops are considered intended use of the coin, therefore they are both historical and numismatically important, again as seen by the bids on them.
You are the one that called them absurd. You could have avoided the drama by simply saying you disagree with the standards and left it at that. Your words show your contempt... And that's OK if you feel contempt towards the policy and these coins, but you can't blame people for feeling defensive about what they collect when someone comes along and calls it absurd.
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In response to you asking:
"Since this forum is a place for free thought, why are you here ?"
He was expressing his opinion within this thread's 'free thought' of which you encourage yet you asking why he is here.
It just came off as a bit comical upon first blush.
peacockcoins
All sounds comical to me. All except my first idea that these chopmarked coins are straight graded. Sure they have some historical significance and sure they are collectable but boy you folks sure have a short string. Enjoy what you collect and common sense thinking be damned.
So now it's not common sense to collect a coin that was used as intended? Wow.
Let's take the bickering elsewhere so the rest of us can discuss chopped trade coins per my original posts and the ones who have added please.
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OMG what an unbelievable [redacted]. GTFOH with your ridiculous opinions and attitude.
I can't wait until you post something so that I can come in and tell you that I think that you're an idiot for collecting what you like and that it has no value and you lack common sense for even thinking it's a worthwhile coin.
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
Why are you such a mean person. Is there a moderator watching ? Now you are becoming vendictive ?
Whatever you do to twist my words around only sinks this thread to the lowest of standards. It's all yours now.
How oblivious can one person be? You think I'm vindictive? You just did that exact same thing here. 🙄🙄🙄
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
You can blame me for the numerical grades - David Hall saw my collection and said we can grade those - do you think we should? I said yeah and here we are. The numerical grade takes the remaining details of the coin into account while ignoring the basic chops.
But let me correct one misconception- they are NOT straight graded. They are assigned a numerical grade and designated ‘chopmarked’. No straight grade as the designation is part of the grade.
I didn't twist your words. I explained how they were likely taken, since you didn't seem to understand why some here took offense at them.
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As I was reading this thread, I was thinking that it would be great if TDN responded.
And there it is.
Thanks for setting the record straight.
I've always wondered why people get so pantytwist that PCGS assigns a numerical grade to chopmarked trade dollars. To me, chopmarks add spice to the hobby, taking otherwise identical looking coins and adding historical variety. Agree with TDN, thanks PCGS for offering this service.
Glad that PCGS does this.
Here's one I got from TDN years ago:
Complete Set of Chopmarked Trade Dollars
Carson City Silver Dollars Complete 1870-1893http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase.aspx?sc=2722"
Not surprising given your and TDN's eye for quality but that is gorgeous! Uncommonly beautiful condition for a common date!!!
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
@lermish It is gorgeous. PCGS graded it MS-64 Chop Mark. I am tempted to send it in to see if I can get the +.
Complete Set of Chopmarked Trade Dollars
Carson City Silver Dollars Complete 1870-1893http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase.aspx?sc=2722"
David Hall sold me that coin. He called it a gem
Never seen that happen before, don't think there are any in the Pop Reports. The flat 64 seems to be the artificial limit in place by PCGS; you and I have both seen coins that would probably hit 65 without the chops.
I think I remember reading that somewhere about a top of 64 for chopped trades but don't remember where or when 🤔
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Same with chopped PL designation...I know there must be some MS 77-S (and 76-P but tough to find those at all) out there that would qualify but none so far.
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
Not found by me but since it was brought to my attention I thought I would follow up on this if anyone is curious.
Still a very attractive coin IMO but....UNC Cleaned.
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
Ah now we know why it was Unc... But yes still attractive. Someone, whoever ended up with it did end up trying to cross it after all.
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Nice 74CC chop variety. Glad to see PCGS gives sold prices for various chopmarked T$'s.
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Wonderfully looking chopped Trade Dollar, what does the Legend pedigree represent ie who was the collector and is the pedigree significant in any way, just wondering out loud
Legend is @tradedollarnut . He had an astoundingly high quality set of chopmarked trade dollars. The set has since been disbursed - many of the coins are still top pops.
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
I can shed some light on the pedigree of that particular 77-S: That coin comes from the Legend Chopmarked Trade Dollar Collection that I purchased from @TDN back in 2017. I kept about half of Bruce's collection and incorporated those coins into my collection. Those that I did not keep I sold; this one was sold to @OriginalDan, also I think in 2017. Not sure where Bruce acquired it or where it has been since I sold it to Dan. It's a beautiful coin.
Complete Set of Chopmarked Trade Dollars
Carson City Silver Dollars Complete 1870-1893http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase.aspx?sc=2722"
Pretty sure I bought that raw off of eBay but can’t swear to that. The only coins I can recall not buying off eBay were the 74CC, 76CC and 76S
Very cool discussion with some terrific coins as well as numismatic history. I may have read it and then forgotten, but @tradedollarnut do you know when PCGS started to give numerical grades to chop-marked Trade Dollars? I ask because I currently own one chop-marked TD and purchased it from a PCGS board member off the BST. It was already graded by PCGS with a numerical grade and I remember thinking that it must be a new service to give a number. This was in 2007.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I’ll have to do a bit of looking but that year sounds appx correct. It was the big Pcgs display of my full trade dollar set. They graded them when I gave them the chopmark’s as an add on to the display
I see this
https://www.pcgs.com/news/The-Legend-Trade-Dollar-Collection-On-Display-At-Long-Beach
And this:
https://www.pcgs.com/News/Pcgs-Now-Designates-Chop-Marked-Trade-Dollars
Thank you for looking up the information. It seems amazing that it has been almost exactly 21-years since PCGS started to give a numerical grade to chop-marked TDs.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I still have never seen an 1875 Philly trade dollar with a chop. Seen many the 75-S or CC with damage in the mint mark area passed off as one, though.
SO you don't think these are 75-Ps?
Not the most attention to detail from the graders...
https://coins.ha.com/itm/trade-dollars/1875-t-1-chop-marked-ngc-pcgs-87037-/p/132408-26003.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
https://coins.ha.com/itm/trade-dollars/1875-t-1-chop-marked-ngc-pcgs-87037-/p/132408-26001.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
@MFeld If you can do something about these....the first is not a die match for a 75-P 1/1 and the second has a very clearly visible S mint mark.
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
Wonder if this was that 76-S?
Good catch on both of these. Putting the one with the S mint mark in a 75P holder is cartoonish on NGC's part.
The liberty Seated Collector club just had an article about chopmarked Trade Dollars in the Gobrecht Journal this year. I learned quite a lot. this is an area I know little about. James
Sorry. meant last year. 2023