A Few Humble 1819 overdates

KensCoins2287

Got a few of my bust halves out today, I know they aren’t anything earth shattering, but they are what I can afford and I enjoy them. The overdates are some of my favorites, so here are my examples of all 6 1819/8 die marriages. (If any of you have a problem free O.106 in VF-XF I’m in the market).
Feel free to share your examples!

OKbustchaser

Nice set. Interesting fact, though. One of these coins isn't an overdate. The O-105. One can tell this by the fact that the 1s on all of the overdates have flat tops (as well as all1818s did). The 1s on the105 have a slanted/curved top as do all non-overdated 1819s.

pursuitofliberty

Nice looking group! Pretty dang nice for "humble"!!

I'll try to remember to post mine later ... I have a 101 and a 103a, both in P55 with CAC stickers, and a 105 in P50.

According to Souders, the 105 is technically not an overdate (a finding I agree with after reading his dissertation and studying mine), however it is attributed as such in many publications and on almost all holders (mine included).

See page 448 of Bust Half Fever 1807 - 1836, Second Edition, by Edgar E. Souders for further information on his findings.

pursuitofliberty

Ha! @OKbustchaser beat me to it!!

Walkerguy21D

Very nice group!

Wrong series, but shares the same key attribute. Also in or near the condition census for the N-1 variety.

Pnies20

Awesome set!

The 104 is such a cool obverse die.

lkeigwin

I agree, @Pnies20. The O.104 may not be the rarest of the 19/8 overdates but it is one of the most fun.

Check out those quirky stars. Some flat, some well defined with points. And one bizarrely recut (S2). Hard to explain what was going on there.
Lance.

KensCoins2287

@OKbustchaser @pursuitofliberty
I remember reading about the 105 not being a true overdate in Bust Half Fever and his reasoning seems to make sense. I find it interesting that grading services still attribute it as a 1819/8.

I never looked at the 1 punch used on other series before, but after noticing the flat topped 1 on the large cent that @Walkerguy21D posted, I see that the mint switched to the “pointed top 1” in 1819 on that series also (which seems to further proves Souders theory)

@lkeigwin, Your 104 is fantastic! (As are all your CBHs)
Have there been any theories on what could be going on with S2? I mean besides the recutting, it almost appears there was a letter or number underneath.

OKbustchaser

@KensCoins2287 said:
@OKbustchaser @pursuitofliberty
I remember reading about the 105 not being a true overdate in Bust Half Fever and his reasoning seems to make sense. I find it interesting that grading services still attribute it as a 1819/8.

Tradition (inertia) is hard to overcome. Another example from bust halves is the 1807 O-111 and O-112 which is still called the 50/20 in the Red Book and by all TPGs. It's not, though, it has been shown for over 25 years that the so-called 2 on the reverse is actually an inverted 5.

pursuitofliberty

Just for fun, here's my "Small 9" (O-101). My other images are lacking a bit, so I'll leave those alone for now

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Pnies20

I had a 104 but sold it because I ended up not liking it. Still on the hunt.

I have a 102

BustDMs

REALLY like your O101!

jacrispies

I don't have any 1819/8's of my own to share, but I have to compliment everyone and say every coin here is a beauty!👍🏻👍🏻

Pnies20

Added a 105 from the Knoxville show today! Blue toning around the periphery gives way to auburn toning throughout the rest of the obverse. The reverse has a nice ring of rainbow around the edges and a drift mark that adds to the character.

TomB

Beautiful coins and wonderful photography all around.

This is going to read really odd, but I always see a flying witch behind S2 of O.104 where we see her scarf going off in one direction and the point of her hat in the other.

Herb_T

My 104, PCGS AU58

Shane6596

So many cool coins in this thread, these are right in my wheelhouse.

Thanks for sharing, im gonna spend a bit looking these over and over