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The tale of two 2013 ASE’s - what up wit dat?

Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

One of these things is not like the other -
What you say?

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is there a counterfeit in our presence? Oh my !

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Burnished vs business strike? Standing by to be enlightened. Peace Roy

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    Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe something like this?

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @J2035 said:
    Maybe something like this?

    Those look like proof strikes - neither of mine are proof strikes - they are both business uncirculated strikes

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrLee said:
    Fake on the left.

    Will NGC encapsulate a counterfeit?

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    Burnished vs business strike? Standing by to be enlightened. Peace Roy

    That’s a good question - I wondered the same but then I did some research and…, alas…. , there were no burnished strikes in 2013. Nor a W mint uncirculated issue, nor a non-mint uncirculated strike - should have the W on that one, but it’s actually on the other one that looks fake … but is ir? Neither of these coins are known to exist yet here they are …. I think something fishy for sure. I got these from my late father so I don’t know the answer but thought I’d share the fun with my expert friends!!

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My father was the man who got me into coins - so I’m forever grateful of my pop who lived in Vero beach Florida until he died - and I got some of his coins… but several (like these above) we continue to do some research to learn more. He shared a lot with me but I seriously don’t remember rhese 2013 ASEs -
    I think they are both fake - I could be wrong …

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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,788 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The lettering on the one on the left is farther from the rim (ridiculously so on the teverse).

    As I recall, early date "business strike" SEs were brilliant and several years later they had more of a matte or what we now call "burnished" finish.

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin on the left is fake (and likely in a fake NGC holder too).

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

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    Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Che_Grapes said:

    @J2035 said:
    Maybe something like this?

    Those look like proof strikes - neither of mine are proof strikes - they are both business uncirculated strikes

    I think you’re missing the point. I saw this bag of 2013 ASE fakes in person and took the photo. It was on display at the SCNA show last year. ASE fakes are common - especially 2013.

    Speaking to counterfeits more broadly, there are documented fake coins in fake holders, real coins in fake holders and fake coins in real holders.

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    bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Che_Grapes said:

    @Namvet69 said:
    Burnished vs business strike? Standing by to be enlightened. Peace Roy

    That’s a good question - I wondered the same but then I did some research and…, alas…. , there were no burnished strikes in 2013. Nor a W mint uncirculated issue, nor a non-mint uncirculated strike - should have the W on that one, but it’s actually on the other one that looks fake … but is ir? Neither of these coins are known to exist yet here they are …. I think something fishy for sure. I got these from my late father so I don’t know the answer but thought I’d share the fun with my expert friends!!

    This where you are wrong. There was a 2013 W burnished eagle minted. I actually have one in OGP.

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    1madman1madman Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @J2035 said:
    Maybe something like this?

    That is awesome! I’ve never seen so many fake silver eagles at once. My record is like 5 at one single dealers table (ironically he didn’t know they were fakes either). I had to show him the difference between his fakes and his authentic ones.

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    MetroDMetroD Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 21, 2023 6:32PM

    @Che_Grapes said:

    That’s a good question - I wondered the same but then I did some research and…, alas…. , there were no burnished strikes in 2013. Nor a W mint uncirculated issue, nor a non-mint uncirculated strike - should have the W on that one, but it’s actually on the other one that looks fake … but is ir? Neither of these coins are known to exist yet here they are …. I think something fishy for sure. I got these from my late father so I don’t know the answer but thought I’d share the fun with my expert friends!!

    I agree with @bsshog40.

    Here is the Mint press release announcing the availability of the 2013 'uncirculated/burnished' ASE.
    Here are the images of the 2013 'uncirculated/burnished' ASE from the Mint's image library.
    Here is an actual 2013 'uncirculated/burnished' ASE for sale at APMEX.

    Edited.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fake on the left looks cartoonish. Must be a fake slab as well.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    2013 bullion finish, 42,675,000

    2013-W burnished finish, 221,981

    2013-W enhanced finish, 281,310

    2013-W proof, 918,680

    2013-W reverse proof, 281,310

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    Fake on the left looks cartoonish. Must be a fake slab as well.

    Yeah, it's not even one of the better fakes.

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    The one on the left looks like other burnished 2013 w silver eagle to me.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The one on the left is a counterfeit.

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    MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fake is on the left, and obviously so. I recently had the opportunity to buy an estate collection and had to inform the heirs that while most holdings were genuine, there were 10 counterfeit ASE's with a Proof finish. The coins were underweight, too thick, had no mint mark and were struck in medal turn. All were different dates 2011 to 2020.

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    MS66MS66 Posts: 200 ✭✭✭

    @MarkKelley said:
    The coins were underweight, too thick, had no mint mark and were struck in medal turn. All were different dates 2011 to 2020.

    But were they even silver? Yeesh, I'm so naïve I didn't even realize they counterfeited coins this cheap.

    What's the exact weight of these coins supposed to be? 31.1g right? What's the allowable variance? Many of mine are 31.2 or so. Better over than under?

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    MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These were not silver but a lighter weight base metal. They were too thick to compensate, but still came in at 26 grams or so.

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    Ok. I agree it’s a fake

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    bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep, even tho there was a legitimate 2013 W burnished eagle, the one on the left looks like a fake to me also.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bigmountainlion said:
    The one on the left looks like other burnished 2013 w silver eagle to me.

    Look carefully at the head and right arm. Look at the 3 in the date. Compare it to the one on the right.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, there were authentic 2013W ASE's... but the OP coin looks fake to me.... I agree with @jmlanzaf ... the 3 is different.... Cheers, RickO

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One on left is fake and it's not even a good one at that. Just look at the lack of details on the eagles feathers among the 50 other thing that are wrong. THKS!

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,190 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 22, 2023 7:34AM

    @Che_Grapes said:

    @Namvet69 said:
    Burnished vs business strike? Standing by to be enlightened. Peace Roy

    That’s a good question - I wondered the same but then I did some research and…, alas…. , there were no burnished strikes in 2013. Nor a W mint uncirculated issue, nor a non-mint uncirculated strike - should have the W on that one, but it’s actually on the other one that looks fake … but is ir? Neither of these coins are known to exist yet here they are …. I think something fishy for sure. I got these from my late father so I don’t know the answer but thought I’d share the fun with my expert friends!!

    Redbook shows a mintage of 222,091 Burnished silver eagles.

    But agree the left one is a fake.

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    Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My bad on the burnished eagles - I got my facts wrong and yes they did make them in 2013 - sincere regrets.
    Still, not sure this is what I have - I think it’s a fake … actually I think both are fake —

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 25, 2023 5:20AM

    Yep, fake. Look at her out reached right hand, too.
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