The tale of two 2013 ASE’s - what up wit dat?
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One of these things is not like the other -
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Is there a counterfeit in our presence? Oh my !
Burnished vs business strike? Standing by to be enlightened. Peace Roy
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Maybe something like this?
Fake on the left.
Those look like proof strikes - neither of mine are proof strikes - they are both business uncirculated strikes
Will NGC encapsulate a counterfeit?
That’s a good question - I wondered the same but then I did some research and…, alas…. , there were no burnished strikes in 2013. Nor a W mint uncirculated issue, nor a non-mint uncirculated strike - should have the W on that one, but it’s actually on the other one that looks fake … but is ir? Neither of these coins are known to exist yet here they are …. I think something fishy for sure. I got these from my late father so I don’t know the answer but thought I’d share the fun with my expert friends!!
My father was the man who got me into coins - so I’m forever grateful of my pop who lived in Vero beach Florida until he died - and I got some of his coins… but several (like these above) we continue to do some research to learn more. He shared a lot with me but I seriously don’t remember rhese 2013 ASEs -
I think they are both fake - I could be wrong …
The lettering on the one on the left is farther from the rim (ridiculously so on the teverse).
As I recall, early date "business strike" SEs were brilliant and several years later they had more of a matte or what we now call "burnished" finish.
The coin on the left is fake (and likely in a fake NGC holder too).
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I think you’re missing the point. I saw this bag of 2013 ASE fakes in person and took the photo. It was on display at the SCNA show last year. ASE fakes are common - especially 2013.
Speaking to counterfeits more broadly, there are documented fake coins in fake holders, real coins in fake holders and fake coins in real holders.
This where you are wrong. There was a 2013 W burnished eagle minted. I actually have one in OGP.
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That is awesome! I’ve never seen so many fake silver eagles at once. My record is like 5 at one single dealers table (ironically he didn’t know they were fakes either). I had to show him the difference between his fakes and his authentic ones.
I agree with @bsshog40.
Here is the Mint press release announcing the availability of the 2013 'uncirculated/burnished' ASE.
Here are the images of the 2013 'uncirculated/burnished' ASE from the Mint's image library.
Here is an actual 2013 'uncirculated/burnished' ASE for sale at APMEX.
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Fake on the left looks cartoonish. Must be a fake slab as well.
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2013 bullion finish, 42,675,000
2013-W burnished finish, 221,981
2013-W enhanced finish, 281,310
2013-W proof, 918,680
2013-W reverse proof, 281,310
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Yeah, it's not even one of the better fakes.
The one on the left looks like other burnished 2013 w silver eagle to me.
The one on the left is a counterfeit.
Fake is on the left, and obviously so. I recently had the opportunity to buy an estate collection and had to inform the heirs that while most holdings were genuine, there were 10 counterfeit ASE's with a Proof finish. The coins were underweight, too thick, had no mint mark and were struck in medal turn. All were different dates 2011 to 2020.
But were they even silver? Yeesh, I'm so naïve I didn't even realize they counterfeited coins this cheap.
What's the exact weight of these coins supposed to be? 31.1g right? What's the allowable variance? Many of mine are 31.2 or so. Better over than under?
These were not silver but a lighter weight base metal. They were too thick to compensate, but still came in at 26 grams or so.
Ok. I agree it’s a fake
Yep, even tho there was a legitimate 2013 W burnished eagle, the one on the left looks like a fake to me also.
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Look carefully at the head and right arm. Look at the 3 in the date. Compare it to the one on the right.
Well, there were authentic 2013W ASE's... but the OP coin looks fake to me.... I agree with @jmlanzaf ... the 3 is different.... Cheers, RickO
One on left is fake and it's not even a good one at that. Just look at the lack of details on the eagles feathers among the 50 other thing that are wrong. THKS!
Redbook shows a mintage of 222,091 Burnished silver eagles.
But agree the left one is a fake.
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My bad on the burnished eagles - I got my facts wrong and yes they did make them in 2013 - sincere regrets.
Still, not sure this is what I have - I think it’s a fake … actually I think both are fake —
Yep, fake. Look at her out reached right hand, too.
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