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Can anyone tell me why PCGS graded my 1837 Reeded Edge CBH AU55?

GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

Looks MS to me all day.....but, what do I know?

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https://www.pcgs.com/cert/46365591

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    DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2023 7:11PM

    Not sure, I don’t see any obvious signs of wear that jump out at me. Note that I don’t own any cbh’s so I’m not well versed in the grading of them. I really like the look of that coin though!

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2023 6:54PM

    I'm certainly no cap bust expert, but looking at CoinFacts they offer many photos of AU55 1837 Reed Edge Cap Bust Halves and most have this look on the hair curls and eagle eyebrows. Just an opinion, but probably why they see wear. Still a very attractive coin. I understand the value reduction and feel your pain.
    Jim


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    CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ll take it off your hands. Nice coin. Agree with Bryce.

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    Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok, I got this one.... They are trying to get a gold bean on their holders?

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    Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok ok, not funny, so looking at the fields behind the head. it looks like rub and circ marks to me... But in hand who knows..

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    goldengolden Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice coin!

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,150 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From a wear perspective, I like it as a 58.

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldbully said:
    Looks MS to me all day.....but, what do I know?

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    how is the luster in-hand? one of the major drawbacks to even the best of images sometimes is also one of the most important and challenging to assess properly and specifically. :)

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    Herb_THerb_T Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Send it into CAC

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    humanssuckhumanssuck Posts: 319 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I could see it in a 58 holder, but it does not appear to be mint state to me.

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I won't debate the grade. But I absolutely love it, @Goldbully.
    Lance.

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    1madman1madman Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is that a long scratch stemming off the U in united on the reverse?

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    HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1madman asked "Is that a long scratch stemming off the U in united on the reverse?"

    That almost looks like a scratch on the die that was transferred to the coin. It's interesting, however, that there are two other AU55s struck from the same pair of dies in a similar die state, but they do not show this mark. See the following cert numbers:

    38466743
    36801533

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    AlanSkiAlanSki Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see wear on the rims too

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I could see a 58 holder for that one, but maybe the luster isn't enough and brought it down.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Marks on Liberty's cap, in the field on reverse, wear on tops of eagles wings ... but I would have called it AU58... Cheers, RickO

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    jackpine20jackpine20 Posts: 139 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2023 6:57AM

    I don’t get it. An AU55 coin should show very obvious (yet minor) wear. Yours is by no means obvious. The Eye appeal is nice. My gut reaction is to crack it out and ruminate for a few months before resubmitting, but I don’t like playing the crack out game. Perhaps a better suggestion would be a reconsideration submission. We all know that TrueViews can sometimes make a coin look better than the real deal. Could you share an image of what it looks like in the holder, or raw I if you have it? I hope it all works out in your favor.

    Matt Snebold

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    GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ll have her back from PCGS next week and I’ll take some iPhone pics.

    Thank you all for your astute comments.

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    mark_dakmark_dak Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldbully said:

    I’ll have her back from PCGS next week and I’ll take some iPhone pics.

    Thank you all for your astute comments.

    Still a great looking coin despite your disappointment...

    Mark

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jackpine20 said:
    I don’t get it. An AU55 coin should show very obvious (yet minor) wear. Yours is by no means obvious. The Eye appeal is nice. My gut reaction is to crack it out and ruminate for a few months before resubmitting, but I don’t like playing the crack out game. Perhaps a better suggestion would be a reconsideration submission. We all know that TrueViews can sometimes make a coin look better than the real deal. Could you share an image of what it looks like in the holder, or raw I if you have it? I hope it all works out in your favor.

    I think it is obvious. There are clear circulation marks in the fields, on the bust and eagle and in the rim. As i said, I can see it as a 58 but not Unc. IMHO.

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    That's a beautiful coin for sure. I can understand your disappointment. I.think this falls under buy the coin not the holder. I'm kind of new and my first thought is to crack it out and stick with my own opinion. If your hope was to sell it and get unc money for it I would sell it raw knowing what you received for a grade and hope to recoup the money you have into in including grading fees.
    Sure looks like a keeper to me and if it were mine I would not want to be looking at her in a 55 holder. The eye appeal is just to nice to have that number hanging over her head.
    This is a case of buy the coin not the holder and a string lesson for me when buying a raw coin of this caliber.

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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the grade don’t fit, you must resubmit… Looks AU58 to me.

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    Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gorgeous coin - at 55, I’d recommend sending to CAC. Looks like a solid 58 in the pic - the cheek does read as a slight trace of wear imo. While the grade results must be disappointing, this coin looks better than many low MS examples and has great eye appeal.

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    fathomfathom Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No that is not a weak strike, nor is there identifiable wear that I can tell for sure. I would have to see it in hand, from the photo it looks MS.

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    fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 897 ✭✭✭✭

    @Herb_T said:
    Send it into CAC

    Is CAC stickering again ?

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    DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fiftysevener said:

    @Herb_T said:
    Send it into CAC

    Is CAC stickering again ?

    They haven’t stopped stickering, they just suspended the economy tier. You can send coins for stickering at $35. However, I just visited the website and I did not get the usual pop up that tier 1 was suspended, maybe they lifted it recently?

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    fluffy155fluffy155 Posts: 229 ✭✭✭✭

    There are different standards for steam-struck Bust halves vs. screw struck, you can't compare a pre-36 AU55 to a reeded edge AU55. There is definite wear on the eagle's feathers and in the fields, and it looks like luster is subdued. I like it at 55.

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    jackpine20jackpine20 Posts: 139 ✭✭✭✭

    @fluffy155 said:
    There are different standards for steam-struck Bust halves vs. screw struck, you can't compare a pre-36 AU55 to a reeded edge AU55. There is definite wear on the eagle's feathers and in the fields, and it looks like luster is subdued. I like it at 55.

    I like this rationale^^^ Can I change my answer? 😉

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,732 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My opinion is that it appears AU55-58 in terms of wear, but that the heavy vertical marks within the cap hurt the coin's chances of that grade. If the luster is a bit muted in-hand then that would hurt, too.

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    AtcarrollAtcarroll Posts: 343 ✭✭✭

    I won't venture a grade opinion based on the photos, but if they called it AU it's because they saw, or thought they saw, wear. I honestly can't tell from the pics, I'd need to view it in hand under a strong light.

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldbully said:
    Looks MS to me all day.....but, what do I know?

    .
    after reading the many comments, do you think a resub is in the future?

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    GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 16,863 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2023 2:38PM

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @Goldbully said:
    Looks MS to me all day.....but, what do I know?

    .
    after reading the many comments, do you think a resub is in the future?

    Probably not. I'll just enjoy her company. 😊

    edited to add: I'm really getting to love the reeded edge short series.

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m at 58 on that one.

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,853 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks to me like it has been dipped and retoned. You need to look at the early wear points with a loupe to determine if circulated. Halperin's book 'How to Grade U.S.Coins' has the following pic for high points and early wear.
    https://coingrading.com/index.html

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2023 3:17PM

    @davewesen said:
    It looks to me like it has been dipped and retoned. You need to look at the early wear points with a loupe to determine if circulated. Halperin's book 'How to Grade U.S.Coins' has the following pic for high points and early wear.

    What about the OP’s coin makes you think it’s been dipped and retoned?

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree with send to cac

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think TomB has it right about the vertical marks on the cap bringing down the grade. I also think the coin had slight rub but that the coin toned over the rub camouflaging it well. The coin has great eye appeal

    Mr_Spud

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You're getting a lot of expert help and opinions on your coin.

    The following is from The Official ANA Grading Standards for United States Coins, 6th Edition, by Kenneth Bressett/Q. David Bowers:

    AU-55 Choice.

    OBVERSE: Only a trace of wear shows on high points of cap and hair above eye.
    REVERSE: A trace of wear shows on arrow heads and talons.
    SURFACE: Much of the mint luster is still present.


    You got yourself a nice coin there.

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    fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 897 ✭✭✭✭

    @DeplorableDan said:

    @fiftysevener said:

    @Herb_T said:
    Send it into CAC

    Is CAC stickering again ?

    They haven’t stopped stickering, they just suspended the economy tier. You can send coins for stickering at $35. However, I just visited the website and I did not get the usual pop up that tier 1 was suspended, maybe they lifted it recently?

    Would like one more chance at stickering before they grade, but only at the $15 tier. I would do 10 coins or so.

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,829 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful piece... CBHs aren't my area of focus but I've been looking at Reeded Edges for my Type Set... mainly in XF to AU grades. The OPs coin looks about as original a "skin" as I've seen so I don't think it's been dipped. From the OPs images, I see a little (very little) wear on the high points that might be more evident with coin "in hand". The contact marks in Liberty's cap might have been a little too apparent for the Grader and maybe that's why the low number. As others have already indicated, maybe this is a poster child for an AU58 or AU58+ coin...

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