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Raw 58 proof quarter, grade opinions please EDIT new pics out of plastic

gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 14, 2023 3:27PM in U.S. Coin Forum


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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2023 2:15PM

    Any chance of taking the coin out of the holder? Is that a slab?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    ChevyroseChevyrose Posts: 225 ✭✭✭

    Pr64

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can't tell if the wipe is on the plastic holder or coin. It looks lkike it could go CAM,

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

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    sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,026 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PR65 with tbe usual disclaimer about grading from pics...

    "If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Trying to grade Proof coins accurately from pictures is usually a futile exercise.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2023 3:44PM

    Pics out of the plastic. EDIT I don't like taking proofs out of holders to take pics because its sooo easy to lower the grade with some hairlines.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It had acquired a nice golden orange rim tone in that holder over 30 years.

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    Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Attractive coin for sure....Looks gem to me.

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PR66 Eye appeal with that toning is great!

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am going PR66CAM or PR67CAM but there is no way of determining if there are any/many hairlines from pics

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen it looks just like the second set of pics

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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No reason it's not PF 67 cam.

    If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm at 67DCAM, Those fields are looking very watery.

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    MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Put it in a flip, send it to PCGS and it'll come back in a DCAM holder around 67 unless there are hairlines that aren't visible in the images.

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think it will go DCAM. A 67CAM or around there seems more likely to me.

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2023 5:56AM

    @Maywood said:
    Put it in a flip, send it to PCGS and it'll come back in a DCAM holder around 67 unless there are hairlines that aren't visible in the images.

    And THAT is the primary issue with trying to grade Proof coins from images. The grades of Proofs are usually most impacted by hairlines, the extent of which is rarely apparent in images.

    Edited to add: In this thread, thus far, the grade guesses have been PR64, 65, 66 and 67, with 67 being the most frequent choice. Based on the images, I don’t see why the coin wouldn’t grade 67 or even 68. BUT for all we know, it could have hairlines that aren’t apparent in the images, which should cause it to grade 66, 65, 64 or 63.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Certainly looks like it will go 67CAM.... but as @MFeld has cautioned... Proof coin pictures can be so misleading.... Cheers, RickO

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    PizzamanPizzaman Posts: 226 ✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2023 6:23AM

    Looks like two different coins. That must be the slab that's messed up. I too was at 64 on the first set.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pizzaman an old hard plastic coin holder. It been in for 30 plus years. Has some scuffs on the plastic etc.

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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with Mr. Feld - such a coin could grade from 63 to 68 depending on hairlines which on occasion can only be seen from one or a few angles and lighting conditions.

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    MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on my experience with proofs of this era I wouldn't think there are any hairlines, but that question needs to be answered by the OP who has the coin in-hand. What say you @ gumby1234?? There isn't enough open field on the reverse for any hairlines and the obverse looks really clean with the portraits on both sides looking nice. Overall, the coin is quite clean.

    --- I'm reminded of a thread by @Russ about 20 years ago where he showed a 1964 Kennedy(big surprise, right???) that had everyone wetting their pants because it was so frosty and reflective. After a short while he tilted the coin to reveal the obverse hairlines that plagued the coin. It was one of the better coin photography threads shown here, how an image can be manipulated to highlight attributes and hide flaws.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Maywood I dont see any hairline at any angle. Coin in hand looks just like the pics if not better.

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    I'm just curious why the title to this thread says "raw 58"?
    I'm not trying to be controversial by any means. I have no reason to be. Maybe I can learn something here.

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    MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My only concern with that coin is the faint tone, PCGS doesn't seem to like designating proofs as DCAM when they're toned. Although it's not a really expensive coin in higher DCAM grades it might be worth the cost to have it conserved by either PCGS or NCS.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2023 8:32AM

    @Watchtower said:
    I'm just curious why the title to this thread says "raw 58"?
    I'm not trying to be controversial by any means. I have no reason to be. Maybe I can learn something here.

    “Raw”, as in not graded and “58”, as in 1958 quarter.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    Lol I thought this was the grade as well. How stupid of me. The whole time I'm thinking this coin is in no way an AU coin. Good catch. That's what happens when you post something when you first wake up.
    Sometimes I just need to laugh at myself.

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    PizzamanPizzaman Posts: 226 ✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Watchtower said:
    I'm just curious why the title to this thread says "raw 58"?
    I'm not trying to be controversial by any means. I have no reason to be. Maybe I can learn something here.

    “Raw”, as in not graded and “58”, as in 1958 quarter.

    '58 would have cinched it.

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Watchtower said:
    I'm just curious why the title to this thread says "raw 58"?
    I'm not trying to be controversial by any means. I have no reason to be. Maybe I can learn something here.

    Because the Quarter is dated 1958.

    Pete

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