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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    Apparently ebay has a team of experts to identify fakes, or at least that's what the dealer said they told him.

    If that’s true, they must be perpetually over-worked, because I see a lot of (even poorly made) copies that are reported, remain listed and sell. To be fair, maybe many such sales are reversed at a later date.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2023 6:19PM

    "Robert said he had 3 transactions in 3 weeks and then today shipped out 14 orders".

    I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me; signing out!

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me; signing out!

    What makes no sense to you?

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @logger7 said:
    Apparently ebay has a team of experts to identify fakes, or at least that's what the dealer said they told him.

    If that’s true, they must be perpetually over-worked, because I see a lot of (even poorly made) copies that are reported, remain listed and sell. To be fair, maybe many such sales are reversed at a later date.

    It's not the experts that are overworked, its the counterfeiters. One of these days there will be people reporting the GENUINE coins on Ebay.

    I don't think any of us will have to worry about that, though.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @burfle23 said:
    I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me; signing out!

    What makes no sense to you?

    You snuck your comment in just as I hit post! This notion of all of the lost business and sudden regain of business around this counterfeit removal...

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @burfle23 said:
    I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me; signing out!

    What makes no sense to you?

    You snuck your comment in just as I hit post! This notion of all of the lost business and sudden regain of business around this counterfeit removal...

    It makes sense if you attribute the reported swings in business to chance, rather than to the circumstances of the removed listing.😉

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    are saying eBay 'shadow bans' some sellers and their listings do not appear in searches? being the explanation for no sales? just curious.

  • shishshish Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This thread is useless without images.

    Liberty Seated and Trade Dollar Specialist
  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @burfle23 said:
    I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me; signing out!

    What makes no sense to you?

    You snuck your comment in just as I hit post! This notion of all of the lost business and sudden regain of business around this counterfeit removal...

    The ebay account is "zypies". I have checked Robert's sales from time to time and he does strong business usually.

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 20, 2023 6:22AM
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,473 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @davewesen said:
    3 weeks around Christmas/New Year is slower for many people on eBay

    so can the guy email you the pics he used so you can post here?

    After Christmas maybe. Before Christmas, I can barely keep up with shipping.

    Robert said he had 3 transactions in 3 weeks and then today shipped out 14 orders.

    That's the 3 weeks after Christmas. Things can be slow. But he could have had his searches suppressed more than usual. I mean they suppressed everyone on certain items at certain times.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,473 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    Apparently ebay has a team of experts to identify fakes, or at least that's what the dealer said they told him.

    I assume they have someone who evaluates reports. Idk if that is a team of true experts or just someone knowledgeable enough to understand reports from people like us.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,473 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 19, 2023 8:28PM

    @burfle23 said:
    "Robert said he had 3 transactions in 3 weeks and then today shipped out 14 orders".

    I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me; signing out!

    He's lying or mistaken. I searched his sold items. He has steady sales. He sold 67 items on January 2nd alone. He's sold 41 items since January 2nd.

    Edited to add: there was a sluggish period between 12/8 and 12/29. But there was also a sluggish period between 11/7 and 12/3. And 10/22 and 11/2.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,473 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:

    @burfle23 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @burfle23 said:
    I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me; signing out!

    What makes no sense to you?

    You snuck your comment in just as I hit post! This notion of all of the lost business and sudden regain of business around this counterfeit removal...

    The ebay account is "zypies". I have checked Robert's sales from time to time and he does strong business usually.

    He's sold 120 items since January 1st. There does seem to be some sluggishness in early December. If that the time frame?

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    sales are also related to new additions to the store - if all listings are stale (at least a couple months old) and all of a sudden a few hundred more get added, sales should go up if prices are realistic.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,632 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When are we getting pics of this Trade dollar?

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  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 20, 2023 6:29AM

    I am amazed at the number of lower value (and higher as well) ANACS coins in his listings and he wouldn't spring for the $'s to have his Trade certified?

    In fact, of his FOUR pages of dollars listed he only has a handful of raw coins, mostly lots. There are a couple of certified Trades and an Early in his ANACS slabbed listings...

    https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ssn=zypies&store_name=zypies&_oac=1&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,473 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    When are we getting pics of this Trade dollar?

    I would guess never.

    It's not the OP's coin. It is allegedly of to ANACS. Why would the dealer feel the need to humor us?

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anacs takes around a month and a half to grade. I asked him for images, he's been busy.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,511 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    eBay is weird. Yesterday I threw a bookmark bid on a lot. This morning when I signed on to my eBay screen name there was an email that said my bid was winning. Went to eBay and checked my bids and it said I was not bidding on anything

    refresh the page a couple times then bids will show up

    Still having problems with it.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @davewesen said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    eBay is weird. Yesterday I threw a bookmark bid on a lot. This morning when I signed on to my eBay screen name there was an email that said my bid was winning. Went to eBay and checked my bids and it said I was not bidding on anything

    refresh the page a couple times then bids will show up

    Still having problems with it.

    that is why ALL the tech companies have so many programmers ... to fix the problems made by their 'upgrades'.

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    So much for "the algorithms"...

    if i understand correctly and i think i've seen some other posts about not buying the algorithm thing. the context was not the prevention of listing items but the continuation of regular sales. someone with a few and new listings wouldn't really be affected by a "switch" that turns on and off or can be modified but the long-term regular sellers and sell enough regularly to know when something has gone awry.

    i've seen several members here over a period of years (including myself) recognize these variances. outside politics, seasons, holidays etc.

    one way to prove they have algorithms that do affect tracffic, sales etc is the TSR program. feedback, sales, listings, how often, regularity of listing, getting 5 stars etc all affect this and the ebay language states as much or at least is has in the past. so it makes sense that they have other "means" to reward/punish sellers for various activities. my 2c

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  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I sent the seller a note and asked about the Trade but no response so far...

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