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Pick up from a local show today. Undergraded Buffalo? Agree?

VetterVetter Posts: 881 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I picked up this 1913 S T2 Buffalo from a show today. It was graded XF on the holder and priced a bit below XF grade. My thoughts are it’s a bit better. What are your thoughts?

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  • mirabelamirabela Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not 100% confident it's authentic.

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  • 124Spider124Spider Posts: 968 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2023 11:02AM

    Here's my NGC-graded AU58; you compare (to my eye, it looks like a solid XF, but not an AU--especially the obverse):


  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,563 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2023 11:13AM

    The obverse looks off to me, especially around the date. The obverse detail is a little weak but I still lean towards genuine and I agree it would grade AU53-55.

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2023 11:01AM

    Looks like a 53-55 to me. Nice score, looks genuine to me as well, but not sure how good the fakes are out there.

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  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's close... but I'd certainly would have been interested in it as higher XF, assuming some nice luster yet.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks XF to me

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,375 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How much luster is left? The mintmark looks a little big. Could that make it glued on or embossed from edge?

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2023 11:30AM

    And yes... I do have some... wondering about the coin. Would have looked very closely to determine if fake or not. I 'think' it is genuine... but do have some hesitation when looking at provided photos.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Heres a PCGS XF 40

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,539 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2023 11:54AM

    Looks AU 50….but is it an added or embossed mint mark, or die struck counterfeit, that I don’t know. But it may be perfectly legit.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That coin looks 'off' to me....The mint mark, the hip on the buffalo and the lower braid on the Indian.... just looks wrong... Cheers, RickO

  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2023 12:13PM

    It looks a lot better than my PCGS-40.
    Quick phone pics for comparison.

    Edited to add after reading mfelds post:
    My coin looks better in hand, but maybe that’s just wishful thinking.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nwcoast Looks like its in its final resting place. Heres a PCGS VF30

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,451 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,552 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF40 at best if legit.

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  • Black.DiamondBlack.Diamond Posts: 119 ✭✭✭

    Nice find. My guess on the grade is 55.

  • 2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe authentic and AU50

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    @nwcoast Looks like its in its final resting place. Heres a PCGS VF30

    What a tremendous clash your coin shows, not only does it look better than VF30 to me the coolness factor is at the top of the chart.

    To stay on topic, I would grade the OP's coin in the 45/50 range depending on whether any luster remained, the photo makes it look very flat.

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Strong XF yet just enough wear to keep it out of AU.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @seanq not my coin , but I agree I like it a lot.

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,998 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks as though it’s graded properly to my eyes.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,130 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's my one time AU55 1913 S T2 Buff for comparison.
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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,429 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No

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  • VetterVetter Posts: 881 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks all for the input. This was purchased from a very reputable dealer who will stand behind what he sells. The pictures do not give a true representation of how the coin truly looks. Unfortunately I am struck to using my iPad for pictures and they are not the best but there is some luster left on the coin.

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