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You can judge a type set by looking at the half-dimes. Anyone know who said this?

BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,733 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 5, 2023 10:50PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I'm curious if anyone knows where this sentiment originated. I've heard it a couple of times, and it's always made me a little more careful when evaluating coins for this part of my collection.

.... it was probably started by some half-dime enthusiast, or someone with a huge half-dime inventory, perhaps. ;)

Two or three of these suit me fine, IMO. I've owned a few others over the years but never really fell in love with any of them. The 1794 isn't terribly original but from a mintage of 7,756 coins and perhaps 500 or so surviving you can overlook some stuff.

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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MrHalfDime?
    Who ever said it they are still way to small.

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2023 11:35PM

    I like half dimes, but I'm not sure why someone would judge a type set from a small subset.
    There are usually not that many coins in a type set, so why not look at all of them?

    There is a more useful sampling technique when estimating the value of a US stamp collection -
    look at the 1893 Columbian series.

    Similarly, you can look at the grades/values of the key coins in a series to estimate the value of the series collection,
    although it helps that they are the highest value coins, so they would get a higher weight in the total
    if the other coins are of a similar grade.

    I suppose a similar technique to estimate the value of a type set (if you didn't want to look at all the coins)
    would be to look at the Chain cent and the early gold.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don’t know who said it, but I disagree with him/her.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bikergeek

    Great post! Thanks.

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BryceM said:

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    on the off-chance i could turn SOMETHING up here on the forum or a search engine, i tried a couple variations of what you put in the title and the only results i turned up, is this thread. ugh

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,829 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm putting a 7070 Type Set together. There are 76 coins in this set... why wouldn't I want to look at all 76? Maybe someone didn't particularly care for Half Dimes and just got fillers for those pieces but were much more drawn to having nice Half Dollars... or dumped more money into Dollars.

    I suppose if I had to pick coins that might be representative of a Basic Type Set (like the 7070)... and I can only look at 4 coins to judge the entire set... I'd probably look at the Classic Head Large Cent, the Capped Bust Quarter, and the Seated Dollars... but that's just me...

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,150 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd probably look at the Classic Head Large Cent, the Capped Bust Quarter, and the Seated Dollars... but that's just me...

    Having helped multiple people, and myself, build 7070s, the last coins located were generally the seated dollars and the classic head cent. If these are nice, you can bet the rest are as well.

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    BikergeekBikergeek Posts: 210 ✭✭✭✭

    Hey @yosclimber, today I learned from you! Question, though: what's up with all the rim cuds on the seated obverses?

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 7, 2023 2:28AM

    @Bikergeek said:
    Hey @yosclimber, today I learned from you! Question, though: what's up with all the rim cuds on the seated obverses?

    There are quite a few different rim cuds on 1837 and 1838 half dime obverses.
    I don't really know why they occurred.
    I imagine it is a high stress area in the die,
    and perhaps they did not have the best alloy or tempering in the early years?

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I dunno, but judge away 🧐

    Mr_Spud

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mr_Spud said:
    I dunno, but judge away 🧐

    Those are some nice ones for the Seated part of the half dime type set.
    I see your 1857 and 1858 as being the same type, based on being from the same hubs (I think).
    There is a minor obverse hub change that happens partway into 1857, but I think your 1857 has the later hub.
    Were you just looking for a 6th half dime to fill in the 2x3 array? (I'm curious; apologies if I asked this before and forgot).
    You could swap one of them for the 1859 (Philadelphia) which is the one year Paquet hub, as @rhedden noted.

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 8, 2023 4:45AM

    @rhedden

    That 1864 is quite a dazzler to top off a bunch of great half dime types!
    That's a great photo of it, too.
    I like your choices to define the types, too.

    Just on a theoretical basis, if you wanted to add more types,
    I suppose you could add an 1829 with the 3 lines in the vertical shield stripes.
    And maybe an 1858 with the somewhat wavy base, although it's very hard to tell the difference.
    Usually I cheat and look at the dentil alignment under the pendant or the > mark between star 10 and 11.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have been fascinated by the early half dimes (1792 - 1805) since I was in high school. I could not afford any of them back then, but once I graduated from college and got a good paying job, I started my collection. I have a “Red Book” collection of them now, minus the pesky 1802, which has always been beyond my financial reach.

    I would not say that that quality of a type set can be judged by the quality of the half dimes in it. While I don’t think that any set can be judged by a small segment in it, the early cents, half dollars and dollars might be more of an indicator. While all of those coins, as a group, are more common, their popularity among collectors makes them expensive. Some collectors don’t like very small coins.

    For record, the biggest bear in the half cent to non gold dollar type set is the Draped Bust, Small Eagle half dollar (1796-7). You can’t buy that type for less than 5 figures unless you could could located “the poorest example in barely recognizable condition.”

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @yosclimber said:

    I see your 1857 and 1858 as being the same type, based on being from the same hubs (I think).
    There is a minor obverse hub change that happens partway into 1857, but I think your 1857 has the later hub.
    Were you just looking for a 6th half dime to fill in the 2x3 array? (I'm curious; apologies if I asked this before and forgot).
    You could swap one of them for the 1859 (Philadelphia) which is the one year Paquet hub, as @rhedden noted.

    I just have the 1858 there to make the collage look symmetrical and also just because I have it. It’s a NGC64 that I purchased about 18 years ago, the first slabbed half dime I ever got, and doesn’t really fit in with the others that are all PCGS AU’s.

    Mr_Spud

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    OnWithTheHuntOnWithTheHunt Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have no idea who said it but after I posted my type set a couple of years ago someone said "You can judge a type set by the early copper." :)

    Proud recipient of the coveted "You Suck Award" (9/3/10).

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