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Pretty saint impulse buy yesterday !! UPDATE 01-24-23 !!
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Local dealer got a dozen of these in. I got the pick of the litter.
Photocert is dated 1988.
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Very nice! Hope you got a decent deal!
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Great looking coin and it looks nice in that Capitol Plastics holder.
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Now how cool is that, I would be after the whole group funding aside. What a cool mini collection that would be.
Nice pickup! Cool.
That's my kinda purchase! It has everything going... Old, neat holder and looks really nice sitting in white!
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In my dreams! Great impulse buy.
Nice piece of century old gold.... I just love the big, old, gold coins... Cheers, RickO
Really pretty gold coin... Would like to get one like that.
Very nice display piece. A step up from a Saint in a garden variety TPG holder.
Very nice!
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Very nice coin and history!
I like how the ANACS cert is registered to you after all these years.
It's a great idea on how to use the "Registered To" field.
Not a ANACS photo cert.
This is a NCI photo cert. Still a very nice find! With a very nice coin.
Always keep the cert with the coin, even after it is graded by some one else, sometime.
I have been collecting Photo Certs from ANACS or any other company for close to twenty years now. There are 10 or 15 different photo cert companies that have come and gone.
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Yep, it's an NCI.
Any saint guys out there know how common ray clashes(?) are on them? She's got some fire shooting from her hips:
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Nice!
Pretty cool!
Ok now what gets booted from the box of 20?
Nah, this was bullion.
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A Saint-Gaudens double eagle. Our country's most beautiful coin.......imo. Would love to get one some day, even if it's bullion.
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Nice bullion.
My impulse buys never look like that.
the photos are not good enough for more than a wild guess, but looks MS65/66
Those look much sharper than the rays from the reverse and are going in the wrong direction? I don't know much about Saint's or if this is common. But, when I took the ANA counterfeit detection seminar, those type of sharp marks or tool marks coming from devices or the edges were one of the topics of discussion.
Do those marks show up in the pictures on the photo cert?
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Very nice pick up! 👍
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These are excellent questions and I'm glad you asked them.
Unfortunately the photocert's resolution is nowhere near good enough to see fine detail like this. Partly because it's 35 years old. But also: My close-up image above is as big as a restaurant menu on my monitor. Easy to forget it's an area the size of a my pinky print in real life and the photocert is just about to scale.
Additionally, these marks look more like a clash than tooling. Their shape and spacing is consistent with the rays. Further, NGC's 1922 plate coin shows them, too. You can visit their site to zoom in:
https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/united-states/gold-double-eagles/saint-gaudens-20-1907-1933/19173/1922-20-ms/?des=ms
This is their 1922:
Now a closeup with mine left and theirs right (isn't mine prettier?
I'd add that the 1922 is not a commonly counterfeited saint. The 1927, 1924, 1926, and 1928 are the most common according to NGC.
But the questions underscore how important TPG is. I'm absolutely willing to question my own coin's authenticity specifically because it's not in NGC or PCGS slab. It wouldn't even occur to me if it was in an NGC or PCGS slab.
FWIW:
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cool coin withthe old cert. my 2 cents, i also think those are clashes but i think they come from the eagle's feathers, trying to mentally flip the obverse upside down and transpose onto the rev (surprisingly challenging after a couple of glasses of wine).
There are rays on the reverse...
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It would be interesting if someone here who does good photo overlay could show where the marks line up with reverse. Like Kaz posted above, I'm having a hard time seeing how the reverse rays could line up and I haven't had wine in at least 20 years.
Maybe something in the feathers or could be some kind of die markers that Saint experts know about.
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I think those rays at her hips signify a fart. Yes, Lady Liberty is gassy
I mentioned in the original post above that I'd gotten the pick of the litter from this group of a dozen NCI Saints. I spent probably a half-hour going over the group in the store, narrowing my search down to the best strike, fewest marks, best cartwheel. They were all graded 63 and all looked nice for the grade: bright, not baggy. I finally whittled the group down to three pieces that looked the nicest. I ultimately went for this 1922 Saint because it is a slightly better date with a mintage of 1,375,500.
That's not especially rare, but there is a big jump in price between 64 ($2500) and 65 ($3500).
When I got home, I compared her to my 64 and 65 Saints. I felt she was an easy 64 with a strong case for a 65.
So I sent her ATS via goldrush and got her back yesterday.
Before:
After:
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Interesting. Thanks. Doesn't seem to answer the question of the ghost rays, does it?
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or does it?
Nice purchase!