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Pretty saint impulse buy yesterday !! UPDATE 01-24-23 !!

WeissWeiss Posts: 9,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 24, 2023 7:59AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Local dealer got a dozen of these in. I got the pick of the litter.
Photocert is dated 1988.

We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
--Severian the Lame

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    spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice! Hope you got a decent deal!

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great looking coin and it looks nice in that Capitol Plastics holder. B)

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

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    Now how cool is that, I would be after the whole group funding aside. What a cool mini collection that would be.

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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice pickup! Cool.

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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,667 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's my kinda purchase! It has everything going... Old, neat holder and looks really nice sitting in white!

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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,760 ✭✭✭✭

    In my dreams! Great impulse buy.

    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice piece of century old gold.... I just love the big, old, gold coins... Cheers, RickO

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    Really pretty gold coin... Would like to get one like that.

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    pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,146 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice display piece. A step up from a Saint in a garden variety TPG holder.

    The longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it possible for an empire to rise without His aid? Benjamin Franklin
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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,334 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice!

    Collector, occasional seller

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice coin and history!

    I like how the ANACS cert is registered to you after all these years.

    It's a great idea on how to use the "Registered To" field.

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    bob48bob48 Posts: 452 ✭✭✭

    Not a ANACS photo cert.
    This is a NCI photo cert. Still a very nice find! With a very nice coin.
    Always keep the cert with the coin, even after it is graded by some one else, sometime.

    I have been collecting Photo Certs from ANACS or any other company for close to twenty years now. There are 10 or 15 different photo cert companies that have come and gone.

    Bob

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    WeissWeiss Posts: 9,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep, it's an NCI.
    Any saint guys out there know how common ray clashes(?) are on them? She's got some fire shooting from her hips:

    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice!

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    CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty cool!

    Ok now what gets booted from the box of 20?

    "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
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    WeissWeiss Posts: 9,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Catbert said:
    Pretty cool!

    Ok now what gets booted from the box of 20?

    Nah, this was bullion. :)

    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A Saint-Gaudens double eagle. Our country's most beautiful coin.......imo. Would love to get one some day, even if it's bullion.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Weiss said:

    @Catbert said:
    Pretty cool!

    Ok now what gets booted from the box of 20?

    Nah, this was bullion. :)

    Nice bullion.

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    cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My impulse buys never look like that.

    Many happy BST transactions
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    dhikewhitneydhikewhitney Posts: 364 ✭✭✭

    the photos are not good enough for more than a wild guess, but looks MS65/66

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    bigjpstbigjpst Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 1, 2023 7:12PM

    @Weiss said:
    Yep, it's an NCI.
    Any saint guys out there know how common ray clashes(?) are on them? She's got some fire shooting from her hips:

    Those look much sharper than the rays from the reverse and are going in the wrong direction? I don't know much about Saint's or if this is common. But, when I took the ANA counterfeit detection seminar, those type of sharp marks or tool marks coming from devices or the edges were one of the topics of discussion.

    Do those marks show up in the pictures on the photo cert?

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice pick up! 👍

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    WeissWeiss Posts: 9,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bigjpst said:

    Those look much sharper than the rays from the reverse and are going in the wrong direction? I don't know much about Saint's or if this is common. But, when I took the ANA counterfeit detection seminar, those type of sharp marks or tool marks coming from devices or the edges were one of the topics of discussion.

    Do those marks show up in the pictures on the photo cert?

    These are excellent questions and I'm glad you asked them.
    Unfortunately the photocert's resolution is nowhere near good enough to see fine detail like this. Partly because it's 35 years old. But also: My close-up image above is as big as a restaurant menu on my monitor. Easy to forget it's an area the size of a my pinky print in real life and the photocert is just about to scale.

    Additionally, these marks look more like a clash than tooling. Their shape and spacing is consistent with the rays. Further, NGC's 1922 plate coin shows them, too. You can visit their site to zoom in:
    https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/united-states/gold-double-eagles/saint-gaudens-20-1907-1933/19173/1922-20-ms/?des=ms
    This is their 1922:

    Now a closeup with mine left and theirs right (isn't mine prettier? ;)

    I'd add that the 1922 is not a commonly counterfeited saint. The 1927, 1924, 1926, and 1928 are the most common according to NGC.

    But the questions underscore how important TPG is. I'm absolutely willing to question my own coin's authenticity specifically because it's not in NGC or PCGS slab. It wouldn't even occur to me if it was in an NGC or PCGS slab.

    FWIW:

    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
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    kazkaz Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭✭✭

    cool coin withthe old cert. my 2 cents, i also think those are clashes but i think they come from the eagle's feathers, trying to mentally flip the obverse upside down and transpose onto the rev (surprisingly challenging after a couple of glasses of wine).

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    WeissWeiss Posts: 9,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are rays on the reverse...

    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
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    bigjpstbigjpst Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would be interesting if someone here who does good photo overlay could show where the marks line up with reverse. Like Kaz posted above, I'm having a hard time seeing how the reverse rays could line up and I haven't had wine in at least 20 years. :D Maybe something in the feathers or could be some kind of die markers that Saint experts know about.

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    JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2023 8:47AM

    I think those rays at her hips signify a fart. Yes, Lady Liberty is gassy

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    WeissWeiss Posts: 9,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting. Thanks. Doesn't seem to answer the question of the ghost rays, does it?

    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Weiss said:
    Interesting. Thanks. Doesn't seem to answer the question of the ghost rays, does it?

    or does it? B)

    <--- look what's behind the mask! - cool link 1/NO ~ 2/NNP ~ 3/NNC ~ 4/CF ~ 5/PG ~ 6/Cert ~ 7/NGC 7a/NGC pop~ 8/NGCF ~ 9/HA archives ~ 10/PM ~ 11/NM ~ 12/ANACS cert ~ 13/ANACS pop - report fakes 1/ACEF ~ report fakes/thefts 1/NCIS - Numi-Classes SS ~ Bass ~ Transcribed Docs NNP - clashed coins - error training - V V mm styles -

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    shishshish Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice purchase!

    Liberty Seated and Trade Dollar Specialist

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