1909s Reconsideration?
Chevyrose
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Gonna send a cache of coins out to pcgs in the next month and have been considering this 66+ for reconsideration for a 67
There are no 67 rb in the pcgs population
What do you guys think? Possible 67? This also has a cac sticker for what it’s worth
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I actually think the streak toning detracts from the grade, and I like it as a straight 66. I think it has less than a 10% chance to go 67.
With that said, the upgrade would be big and would warrant a resubmission.
The pictures don’t say 67 to me.
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Based on the images, even enlarged, I do not see a 67 grade there. Cheers, RickO
We will find out soon. Details are incredible on this coin when viewed with a loupe
Pictures and tru view do don’t do it justice
It already was a 67 once at ngc
And Mr. Blay said it could go 67, let’s see if he’s right
Good Luck and please keep us posted.
WS
Technically it is easily good enough for a 67 grade, the only questions are will the graders like the woodgrain toning and does the luster show strong enough through the toning. Good luck.
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I have no problem with that look.
i like that one just as is. keep us posted
I don't know. How is the luster in hand? I think it is worth the fee to try however. Do you know if Mr. Blay tried that already?
It went from an ms67 ngc to 66 at pcgs then preceded to sit in a bank vault for 30 years. The plus grade and cac were added 2 years ago
The luster is extremely strong
This is also the plate coin for pcgs 1909 s rb ms66+
I think is is maxed out. That type of toning is unappealing to many collectors.
Hypothetically, if it did achieve the upgrade on a Reconsideration submission, how would PCGS figure the value upon which to calculate the Reconsideration fee? Currently the PCGS Price Guide value for this coin in 67 = N/A.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
Not sure if this. Can only compare to the jump from 66-67 for rd examples which isn’t exactly a good comparison
Better question for pcgs
Looks like it’s basically at their discretion, not sure if there’s a precise answer to that. From pcgs website faq on reconsideration:
“If there is no PCGS Price Guide value, the 1% is based off the Declared Value of the coin as stipulated on the submission form. Note, however, that PCGS reserves final discretion on the value of the coin. This may result in the fees you have calculated on the submission form being adjusted to best reflect the value of the coins submitted. For this reason, it is best to pay by credit card in the event that your fees are adjusted.”
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I think the shot is worth it.
MS67 is not an impossible grade, and your 09-S looks like it might just make that leap.
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There aren't really any badly struck 1909-S Cents. San Francisco was on their game that year. Other than some unevenly struck specimens, the entire mintage looks real good.
Pete
This is true
However I have heard acquiring a gem state 1909s is harder than finding a gem state 1909 s vdb
Joining the party late here but a few comments to welcome and educate:
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/2819
This may sound odd, but I think the way to upgrade this coin is to get it back into the NGC 67 red holder, then cross it. Who/why did you cross it at a lower grade with pcgs?
Losing a top pop, then attempting to get it back is tough.
I didn’t cross it, Stewart blay did
There’s no assurance that the coin can get back into an NGC 67RD holder. And even if it could, it’s extremely difficult to imagine that it would then cross.
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Why?
With Stewart Blay speaking of this cent in the highest of terms I don't see why it wouldn't be worth a shot.
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Thank you for your input
Always good to find another Lincoln collector
Only 5 in the ms66+ rb population so I’ll cross my fingers. I also think the longer I wait the better the odds for some reason
Well, for one it sounds like Stewart already tried, unsuccessfully, to cross it as a 67 to pcgs. Not saying it’s not worth a shot, but Marks statement still seems fair.
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I’m under the impression that Stewart crossed the coin from an NGC 67RD to a PCGS 66RB. So while he spoke of it so highly, his willingness to cross it as he did, makes be seriously doubt that he thought it had PCGS 67RD potential.
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I believe he had it in his set registry and simply had to upgrade for points reasons. He believed in the coin
He knew more about Lincoln cents than anyone, I’m sure I’m not alone in that thinking,
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Guess he was human, because this was a silly mistake. Hope you bought the coin at a significant discount due to its uncertainty. Didn’t he only buy the best? Is this the best for that date/mintmark? It literally downgraded, and now there’s doubt NGC will 67 it again.
Did it turn in the holder?
Anytime a coin is removed from a grading company’s holder, there’s no guarantee it will get back into their holder again at the same grade.
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Perhaps re read the first post in this thread
Who said I wanted it in an ngc holder? I’d keep it as a pcgs 66+ first
I would send it in every couple years with some others. A single coin costs so much with shipping both ways and handling fees.
To directly answer your 1st post, do not send it in for a regrade. If you want it to get it to upgrade to a 67, I think it will need to be crossed from another 67 holder.
It’s called reconsideration
If it crossed from another 67 holder it wouldn’t be an upgrade
And uh yeah I’ll trust Stewart’s opinion on Lincoln’s, considering every other Lincoln he got me upgraded a full point when sent for reconsideration
Then why start this thread if you’ve already made up your mind?
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If Stewart thought it was a 67 he would have resubmitted that coin at least ten times......
He would not be satisfied with RB. Thus he sold it.
From the pictures I think the coin is a 65 RB due to the issues on obverse to the right of Lincoln head, Might be OK?, but in pics looks off.
Good Luck.
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Probably I'm missing something, since no one else has raised this objection, but isn't it poor form to be reproducing private conversations in a public forum?
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It's a "look at me" thread. Pretend to ask a question just to show off your coin.
Little jealous J ?
Could just start threads about how to ship coins on eBay? Or alert the community the melts value of zincolns
Also weird that you run two accounts on here to harass people
Probably mad that I’m not embarrassed to post a coin
You never will post your garbage
Keep dreaming J boy
Maybe you’ll complete a state quarters set one day
Learn about the annealing on San Francisco cents from that era
What’s up Jmlanzaf burner account
I don't have 2 accounts. Why would I bother?
I don't post any of my personal coins because I largely collect non-US and for security reasons. I'm certainly not going to feed into your desire to direct my actions.
Find a thread I started about ebay shipping and I'll send you a free coin.
You continue to just harass people. You admitted yourself that you didn't start this thread to actually get opinions/advice. Now you're hurt that I said the same thing????
Nope. Not me. Why would I bother? I can say what I want from my one and only account.
FWIW, it is considered bad form by old forum members to reproduce private messages here. I actually got my knuckles rapped once for doing it myself. However, I personally don't have a problem with it.