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Hello does anyone have any old grey sheets for us coins from 2011
The IRS is allowing values for coins from the grey sheet as a tools to determine value of an estate

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Minuteman810430 said:
    Hello does anyone have any old grey sheets for us coins from 2011
    The IRS is allowing values for coins from the grey sheet as a tools to determine value of an estate

    Thanks

    Why do they want 2011 values?

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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2022 9:15AM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Minuteman810430 said:
    Hello does anyone have any old grey sheets for us coins from 2011
    The IRS is allowing values for coins from the grey sheet as a tools to determine value of an estate

    Thanks

    Why do they want 2011 values?

    We do a lot of estate work and they often need to establish values as of date of death...also it could be for tax purposes to establish a cost basis on certain things when no receipts for amount paid is available. Beneficiaries often need this as well.


    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @telephoto1 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Minuteman810430 said:
    Hello does anyone have any old grey sheets for us coins from 2011
    The IRS is allowing values for coins from the grey sheet as a tools to determine value of an estate

    Thanks

    Why do they want 2011 values?

    We do a lot of estate work and they often need to establish values as of date of death...also it could be for tax purposes to establish a cost basis on certain things when no receipts for amount paid is available. Beneficiaries often need this as well.

    11 years later and the estate isn't settled? Cost basis would only be a single year if all coins were acquired that year. I find it odd.

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    FrankHFrankH Posts: 779 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Perhaps it was a Coin Vault "investment package." :s

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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @telephoto1 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Minuteman810430 said:
    Hello does anyone have any old grey sheets for us coins from 2011
    The IRS is allowing values for coins from the grey sheet as a tools to determine value of an estate

    Thanks

    Why do they want 2011 values?

    We do a lot of estate work and they often need to establish values as of date of death...also it could be for tax purposes to establish a cost basis on certain things when no receipts for amount paid is available. Beneficiaries often need this as well.

    11 years later and the estate isn't settled? Cost basis would only be a single year if all coins were acquired that year. I find it odd.

    Suppose someone inherited a collection in 2011 and stuck it in the closet until this year, when they sold it...

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @telephoto1 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Minuteman810430 said:
    Hello does anyone have any old grey sheets for us coins from 2011
    The IRS is allowing values for coins from the grey sheet as a tools to determine value of an estate

    Thanks

    Why do they want 2011 values?

    We do a lot of estate work and they often need to establish values as of date of death...also it could be for tax purposes to establish a cost basis on certain things when no receipts for amount paid is available. Beneficiaries often need this as well.

    11 years later and the estate isn't settled? Cost basis would only be a single year if all coins were acquired that year. I find it odd.

    Suppose someone inherited a collection in 2011 and stuck it in the closet until this year, when they sold it...

    Could be. Could also be they were an bought at once. There are possibilities, but that's why I asked.

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    littlebearlittlebear Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2022 7:10PM

    ****Cost basis would only be a single year if all coins were acquired that year.********Not correct.
    The IRS uses a "step up cost basis," which is the valuation as of the date of death. Cost of acquisition by the decedent is irrelevant. Only the valuation at DOD, which becomes the new cost basis for the estate/beneficiary.

    "Stepped-up basis is a tax law that applies to estate transfers. When someone inherits investment assets, the IRS resets the asset's original cost basis to its value at the date of the inheritance. The heir then pays capital gains taxes on that basis.Sep 1, 2022"

    From IRS Publication 551 (page 9):
    Inherited Property
    The basis of property inherited from a decedent
    is generally one of the following.
    1. The FMV of the property at the date of the
    individual's death.

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    littlebearlittlebear Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭✭

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,989 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 22, 2022 8:17PM

    @littlebear said:
    ****Cost basis would only be a single year if all coins were acquired that year.********Not correct.
    The IRS uses a "step up cost basis," which is the valuation as of the date of death. Cost of acquisition by the decedent is irrelevant. Only the valuation at DOD, which becomes the new cost basis for the estate/beneficiary.

    "Stepped-up basis is a tax law that applies to estate transfers. When someone inherits investment assets, the IRS resets the asset's original cost basis to its value at the date of the inheritance. The heir then pays capital gains taxes on that basis.Sep 1, 2022"

    From IRS Publication 551 (page 9):
    Inherited Property
    The basis of property inherited from a decedent
    is generally one of the following.
    1. The FMV of the property at the date of the
    individual's death.

    I know. And this was discussed in my later post. But the OP asked about valuing an estate not an inheritance. While it could be that he was trying to establish the cost basis of his inheritance 11 years ago, that's not how I read it which is why I asked.

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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MasonG said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @telephoto1 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Minuteman810430 said:
    Hello does anyone have any old grey sheets for us coins from 2011
    The IRS is allowing values for coins from the grey sheet as a tools to determine value of an estate

    Thanks

    Why do they want 2011 values?

    We do a lot of estate work and they often need to establish values as of date of death...also it could be for tax purposes to establish a cost basis on certain things when no receipts for amount paid is available. Beneficiaries often need this as well.

    11 years later and the estate isn't settled? Cost basis would only be a single year if all coins were acquired that year. I find it odd.

    Suppose someone inherited a collection in 2011 and stuck it in the closet until this year, when they sold it...

    Could be. Could also be they were an bought at once. There are possibilities, but that's why I asked.

    We have had all of the above. It happens more often than you think.


    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @telephoto1 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MasonG said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @telephoto1 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Minuteman810430 said:
    Hello does anyone have any old grey sheets for us coins from 2011
    The IRS is allowing values for coins from the grey sheet as a tools to determine value of an estate

    Thanks

    Why do they want 2011 values?

    We do a lot of estate work and they often need to establish values as of date of death...also it could be for tax purposes to establish a cost basis on certain things when no receipts for amount paid is available. Beneficiaries often need this as well.

    11 years later and the estate isn't settled? Cost basis would only be a single year if all coins were acquired that year. I find it odd.

    Suppose someone inherited a collection in 2011 and stuck it in the closet until this year, when they sold it...

    Could be. Could also be they were an bought at once. There are possibilities, but that's why I asked.

    We have had all of the above. It happens more often than you think.

    I don't doubt it. I see all kinds of nonsense in estates. I know someone who hasn't even tried to appropriately close an estate from 3 years ago. I keep waiting for the Feds or State to notice.

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    yspsalesyspsales Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 23, 2022 1:23PM

    I bought a bound volume for some reason or another.

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