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1904 s barber half. Grade help.

0ronron0ronron Posts: 248 ✭✭✭
edited December 21, 2022 7:54AM in U.S. Coin Forum








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  • AU details cleaned?

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I also would say AU details, cleaned. Too bad about the marks on the obverse. Cheers, RickO

  • shishshish Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU details, Harsh cleaning. The vertical scratches on her neck and cheek are a huge negative that will have a major effect on the value.

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  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Au details. Completely stripped of originality.

  • 0ronron0ronron Posts: 248 ✭✭✭
    edited December 20, 2022 8:54AM

    :'(

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,141 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @shish said:
    AU details, Harsh cleaning. The vertical scratches on her neck and cheek are a huge negative that will have a major effect on the value.

    AU details, and I agree on the value.
    Tough coin for sure, but perhaps even tougher to sell. The serious collectors want it straight graded, and the album collectors are generally looking for lower grade affordable coins.

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,318 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Whizzed

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 20,725 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The images are so poor that I am not completely sold that it is authentic, though it looks like it is. Regardless, if authentic it is a details grade coin with circulation and one that has been whizzed.

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  • 0ronron0ronron Posts: 248 ✭✭✭

    :'(:'(
    ok ok I got it ...lol
    turd coin...

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Au details

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  • jedmjedm Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it was for sale next to a Very Fine graded example that looked attractively original for the same money, I'd choose the VF example.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,932 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cleaned or whizzed AU. A coin to avoid.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,382 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Only a moderator can close a thread. The best you can do is delete your thread title and your opening post.

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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Whizz job.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pass, not a coin for me

  • JBKJBK Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This thread is a worthless waste of space now that the title has been changed and the first post with the photos has been deleted.

    Some people apparently believe that the forum is their own personal Q&A and once they get their answer then no one else matters. Any educational value to others has been lost.

  • 0ronron0ronron Posts: 248 ✭✭✭
    edited December 21, 2022 6:30AM

    I did not mean to ruffle your feathers but after 10 people gave the same opinion I figured it was a waste of space to keep up a bad picture of a whizzed coin. By the way that coin was actually one of my late fathers prized possessions and it kind of sucks to hear that he got taken at the end of his time.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,382 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @0ronron said:
    I did not mean to ruffle your feathers but after 10 people gave the same opinion I figured it was a waste of space to keep up a bad picture of a whizzed coin. By the way that coin was actually one of my late fathers prized possessions and it kind of sucks to hear that he got taken at the end of his time.

    Looked cleaned with the hairlines but it didn't look whizzed which is a specific type of cleaning. Not to be a wise guy but is it possible your father was the one who cleaned it?

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @0ronron said:
    I did not mean to ruffle your feathers but after 10 people gave the same opinion I figured it was a waste of space to keep up a bad picture of a whizzed coin. By the way that coin was actually one of my late fathers prized possessions and it kind of sucks to hear that he got taken at the end of his time.

    Honestly, this can be a tough crowd. Personally, the pictures were so bad, I'm not sure much could be said definitively. The forum has been fooled before by bad pictures.

    It did NOT look whizzed to me although it looked like it MIGHT have been cleaned. Rather than get all bent, it would be helpful to try posting better pictures.

    I would also add that whether your father overpaid for the coin or not, he enjoyed it. That matters more than anything. It gave him pleasure and pride of ownership. Even if it is worthless in the coin market, it is invaluable in what it did for your father.

  • jedmjedm Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @0ronron I certainly meant no disrespect and am sorry for your loss of your father. The educational value of this forum is tremendous and I agree with other posters who have commented in support of leaving the photos intact. That said: The wise learn from the mistakes of others, the lucky from their own mistakes, and the foolish from neither.

  • 0ronron0ronron Posts: 248 ✭✭✭

    I have fixed the original post with better pics under better lighting. Thank you all for your help and sorry for the misunderstanding.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,932 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cleaned AU Barber half dollars are very common. In the days before slabbing this was the way money was made. Buy an AU, clean it, and pass it off as BU. Since most collectors can't grade or detect cleaning this worked very well until third party grading became common from the mid-1980s to the present.

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  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely dipped/wiped. I would not call that whizzed.

    Still worth a few thousand as a tough date. A coin doctor will buy it and darken.

  • ernie11ernie11 Posts: 1,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's one of those coins with mixed feelings attached. A cleaned version of a coin that under normal circumstances, its details and scarcity in higher grades would make extremely desirable.

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,318 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @0ronron said:
    I did not mean to ruffle your feathers but after 10 people gave the same opinion I figured it was a waste of space to keep up a bad picture of a whizzed coin. By the way that coin was actually one of my late fathers prized possessions and it kind of sucks to hear that he got taken at the end of his time.

    Sorry to hear that, we've all bought problem coins unknowingly at some point.
    The reason I chimed in with "Whizzed" is because I see the indication of someone using a rotary tool on the obverse. Unscrupulous people would do this to XF/AU coins to create fake luster to make a coin "look" uncirculated.
    The way the light is reflecting here looks like more than a cleaning/wipe to me, that's why I think whizzed but I could be wrong.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @0ronron said:
    I have fixed the original post with better pics under better lighting. Thank you all for your help and sorry for the misunderstanding.

    Thx for reposting.

    It's definitely an educational thread that can benefit other people (including me! ;) ).

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @0ronron said:
    I have fixed the original post with better pics under better lighting. Thank you all for your help and sorry for the misunderstanding.

    Thanks for editing this back to include images. A lot of new collector's grading skills will benefit from the pictures and commentary that follows. At this point, it doesn't matter how the coin got that way... it is what it is... but the rest of us can learn from the mistake. Unfortunately, someone ruined what was probably a pretty nice (and valuable) coin before the dip and cleaning...

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 20,725 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm glad you put the title and images back with the thread. Sometimes folks delete all their initial information from a thread because they receive answers to their questions and then they think the conversation is finished. However, since all the threads are archived they become an important library for folks to research later and to find answers to questions that they have that perhaps no current member can provide. It's good that you added them back.

    Is it just me, or did you change the images the second time you posted them? I thought the first images were a little darker and tougher to interpret than these, but of course I could be wrong. I wrote that it looked whizzed because of the series of lines on the obverse that in no way look like a wipe, but are reminiscent of the waves that a whizzed coin accumulates. The area in the box appears to show what I mean quite well-

    The coin definitely has value and could sell to the right person for good money, but I don't know who that would be or for how much. I purchased a 1927-S SLQ advertised as EF45 in the mid-'70s from a COINage ad and received a dipped and scrubbed VF, but I was only in middle school at the time and allowed the dealer to bully me into keeping it. Later, in the mid-90s, I sent it to PCGS where it miraculously was certified as a VF30. It didn't matter what the grade was or even that it was certified, the coin was a dog that was blindingly white and terribly hairlined all up and down. PCGS messed up. I finally sold it to about the millionth dealer I offered it to, as everyone who saw it immediately agreed with me that PCGS messed up, and no doubt he blew it out to a mail order client, as well.

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    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Its still worth something to somebody. I'm not sure how deeply discounted for a coin like this. Still has some value thou.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not sure it was whizzed but harshly cleaned. Sorry, could have been a nice coin.
    Jim


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