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This happened 5 years ago, but still makes me laugh/cringe

WingedLiberty1957WingedLiberty1957 Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 18, 2022 6:35AM in U.S. Coin Forum

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  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,450 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was preparing myself for it, but it still made me cringe. Wow.

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  • How in the world could supposed "experts" make such juvenile mistakes? No gloves? Could have put the box on a counter top too.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,804 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OMG!

  • OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :# When I started collecting at 7, I would even know not to do that.

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  • yspsalesyspsales Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2022 7:38AM

    That can't be a real coin.

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  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nothing is as expensive as free money.

  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's akin to breaking a priceless vase in a museum because you were playing on the phone and walking around.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,421 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yikes. I'm more careful than that with a $10 coin

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Only an idiot would handle a coin that expensive over a surface that's not padded. :#

    Luckily it was carpeted!

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2022 9:17AM

    @Lostintranslation said:
    How in the world could supposed "experts" make such juvenile mistakes? No gloves? Could have put the box on a counter top too.

    Could have, but they were filming and perhaps standing was thought to be better for the video?

    Typically, when I examine coins at a counter or table, I like to have the velvet box under the coin as well, but in this case, the other person was holding it.

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 19, 2022 3:07PM

    to be fair, the coin should NOT have been just sitting in a tray. if i were the current owner, i would have scortched both of them.

    on one hand, dropping a "normal" coin is pretty bad BUT a multi million dollar coin AND it was raw, man alive.

    edited to add:

    i wouldn't be scorching anyone since it is the ANA's specimen.

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TurtleCat said:
    It's akin to breaking a priceless vase in a museum because you were playing on the phone and walking around.

    The only difference is there was no damage to the nickel.
    Priceless vase after being shattered: no longer priceless.
    A million-dollar nickel after being dropped: Still worth a million dollars.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:
    to be fair, the coin should NOT have been just sitting in a tray.

    I kind of like seeing coins handled the old ways, of course not dropped.

    It was great seeing the Stuart Weitzman coin in the Capital Plastics holder.

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yea, I can't believe they are standing there talking over a $5,000,000 Nickel and having spittle spewed all over the raw coin.

    GrandAm :)
  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:

    @TurtleCat said:
    It's akin to breaking a priceless vase in a museum because you were playing on the phone and walking around.

    The only difference is there was no damage to the nickel.
    Priceless vase after being shattered: no longer priceless.
    A million-dollar nickel after being dropped: Still worth a million dollars.

    And that difference means that dropping the coin wasn’t remotely akin to breaking a priceless vase (regardless of how it might have broken).

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2022 10:24AM

    @MFeld said:

    @braddick said:

    @TurtleCat said:
    It's akin to breaking a priceless vase in a museum because you were playing on the phone and walking around.

    The only difference is there was no damage to the nickel.
    Priceless vase after being shattered: no longer priceless.
    A million-dollar nickel after being dropped: Still worth a million dollars.

    And that difference means that dropping the coin wasn’t remotely akin to breaking a priceless vase (regardless of how it might have broken).

    Agree, but this gets me wondering if I can drop the coin too? ;)

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2022 11:28AM

    does anyone know the provenance? i spent some time trying to get a nice image for the thread but couldn't find acceptable quality image.

    is it brown mcdermott or brown norweb?

    edited to add: i considered posting a video from CW for the 1850 64PL $20 that the buyer thought they could "improve" but ended up basically just polishing and destroying all value of. not sure how one would absolutely confirm it was the same coin or not though. it would be kinda on-topic since it is about treating high-dollar collectables appropriately. whaddya think @WingedLiberty1957

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why? Would a $5 million dollar coin be raw or at least not be in a protective holder. Regardless of the video, one of the stupidest moves I have ever viewed. Almost looks contrived with a fake coin.
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  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think you posted the wrong video.

    GrandAm :)
  • VasantiVasanti Posts: 448 ✭✭✭✭

    @GRANDAM said:

    I think you posted the wrong video.

    I posted the one that Lance was referring to.

    edited to add: i considered posting a video from CW for the 1850 64PL $20 that the buyer thought they could "improve" but ended up basically just polishing and destroying all value of. not sure how one would absolutely confirm it was the same coin or not though. it would be kinda on-topic since it is about treating high-dollar collectables appropriately. whaddya think

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All I saw was a video about World Cup Soccer

    GrandAm :)
  • VasantiVasanti Posts: 448 ✭✭✭✭

    Weird! Here is the YouTube link.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=mk0F_sQY-kM

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now I see the coin Video,,,,, Thanks

    GrandAm :)
  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In the mid-2000s, can't remember the exact year, my wife and I attended the ANA summer seminar, and my wife attended a course for non-numismatists. Part of that class was going into the basement of the museum to review personally some wonderful coins, including an 1804 Dollar. I believe Douglas Mudd was the newly named curator of the ANA Museum and it may have been his first or second year.

    I was not there but my wife described what happened vividly. Frankly, as a non-numismatist, she doesn't recall the exact coin, but I remember it at the time, and I also remember expressing surprise that the coin was not slabbed. There were guards in attendance, everyone was instructed to put on gloves and the1804 dollar was passed around while attendees were encouraged to pick the coin up. The piece was being handled by a young teenage woman and just as someone asked what the coin was worth the coin slipped out of the girl's hand hit the corner of the tray or table and went flying. The room also was carpeted, but because of the way it hit the edge of the tray or table, the coin fell beyond the carpet with a ping, ping, ping. Everyone froze, the young woman started crying, and I believe it was Doug Mudd who had the sense of humor to answer the question with "less than it was a minute ago." In any event, the coin was retrieved apparently unscathed, the class continued and no one, including my wife, touched the coin after that!

    That is how I remember it. I believe it was 2004, as I was newlywed and I only convinced her to attend with me one time after that.

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This Peace dollar was dropped.
    I bet the person who dropped it (on a cement floor) was bummed out.

    :neutral:

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :D
    Wow, like mentioned earlier, why wasn't it in a capsule, flip, on a table or something more safe? Experts huh?
    :D

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,314 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Has to be set up. No way they'd be speaking right over a real 1913 v-nick.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Wow.... If it actually was the real coin, undoubtedly set up for publicity filming, and 'fecal matter happens'.... Cheers, RickO

  • Pnies20Pnies20 Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That’s why you Don’t let Zack Galifianakis hold coins

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lostintranslation said:
    How in the world could supposed "experts" make such juvenile mistakes? No gloves? Could have put the box on a counter top too.

    I don't know of any professional who uses gloves with any regularity for regular coins (perhaps different for large ingots or other items where there's no way to avoid fingerprinting it if you hold it). The grip and tactile cues of holding a raw coin with your bare fingers are much improved over cotton gloves. I suppose tight nitrile gloves could work, but again, I don't ever see anyone wearing them.

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  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That coin is so cleaned, washed out, and ugly, doesn't matter if you spittle on it and drop it on the floor. It is still cleaned, washed out, and ugly.

    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ronyahski said:
    That coin is so cleaned, washed out, and ugly, doesn't matter if you spittle on it and drop it on the floor. It is still cleaned, washed out, and ugly.

    .
    so is it the pr 55 or pr 62 example?

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  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:

    @TurtleCat said:
    It's akin to breaking a priceless vase in a museum because you were playing on the phone and walking around.

    The only difference is there was no damage to the nickel.
    Priceless vase after being shattered: no longer priceless.
    A million-dollar nickel after being dropped: Still worth a million dollars.

    I guess people didn’t understand the akin part of my statement. My comparison was in the value of the items, the clumsiness of the people involved, how easily preventable it is, etc. I wasn’t meaning value destruction.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Idiotic!!! I would have been livid!!

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TurtleCat said:

    @braddick said:

    @TurtleCat said:
    It's akin to breaking a priceless vase in a museum because you were playing on the phone and walking around.

    The only difference is there was no damage to the nickel.
    Priceless vase after being shattered: no longer priceless.
    A million-dollar nickel after being dropped: Still worth a million dollars.

    I guess people didn’t understand the akin part of my statement. My comparison was in the value of the items, the clumsiness of the people involved, how easily preventable it is, etc. I wasn’t meaning value destruction.

    I think people do understand the “akin” part. And a valuable coin that’s handled clumsily, but doesn’t incur physical or monetary damage when it falls to the carpet, isn’t akin to “breaking a priceless vase in a museum because you were playing on the phone and walking around.” It would, however, be somewhat akin to “bumping into a vase in a museum, because you were playing on the phone and walking around” if the vase escaped damage.

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My next akin agrees with MFeld.

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  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I forget how literal people here are…

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    maybe some of you are onto something?

    perhaps it can be a new thing. find multi-million dollar coins that can't be "harmed" by being dropped on carpet, also making sure they don't roll too far and run into something and have a semi-elite club of numismatists that have dropped an entire type set of 7+ figure coins.

    whaddya thunk?

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    My next akin agrees with MFeld.

    And mine agree with you.😉

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  • retirednowretirednow Posts: 468 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Had not seen this before ... howeverv my 1st instinct was he switch coins using a counterfit ;)

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    This Peace dollar was dropped.
    I bet the person who dropped it (on a cement floor) was bummed out.

    :neutral:

    If you're talking about the area between "L" and "I" in LIBERTY, it seems unlikely a drop onto a cement floor would result in that sort of effect.

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    guess i answered one of my own inquiries in this thread about which specimen the coin from the video is.

    something i put together years ago.

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC Thanks, That's really COOL!! B)<3o:)

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wonder if they had to edit any of the audio. I’m surprised we didn’t hear a lot more than “oh my god.”

  • batumibatumi Posts: 797 ✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    I wonder if they had to edit any of the audio. I’m surprised we didn’t hear a lot more than “oh my god.”

    I believe that even the Pope would have said the eff word.

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