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Odd oversized sized planchet, 1999-P, FS, Jefferson nickel, error or fake? Any thoughts?

Hello, I am posting an odd, oversized planchet, 1999-P, FS, Jefferson nickel for comments. A dealer thought it may be fake. The best I can do for weight, as I don't generally weigh things this small, is 0.2 Oz, and the diameter is 22.5 mm. Very curious what people think about this, thank you, Greg.


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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it's not broadstruck I'm not sure how it was faked. 🤔

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    @JBK, I thought it was odd that he thought it might be a fake, but I am FAR from a numismatist, thus the post! I have not yet found any online that are. like this one... Thank you, Greg.

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    @braddick, thank you for the comment. Glad to hear the opinion. I have found no others like it yet..., Greg.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd you google "broadstrike" or "broadstruck" you should find lots of similar coins.

    Is it yours? It's a nice one.

    BTW, error coins often show good detail, such as FS.

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    can you weigh it? is it struck on a quarter planchet? is there a copper core?

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    SapyxSapyx Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do a Google search for "broadstrike nickel" or "broadstruck nickel" and you should find plenty of examples of similar-looking coins. Yours is a particularly well-centred broadstrike. Because there's no collar die holding a broadstrike in place, and because modern mint presses are sideways (gravity-fed), a well-centred broadstrike is unusual to see these days.

    There's one on Error-ref.com that is a reasonably good match for yours, in appearance: https://www.error-ref.com/broadstrike-centered/

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    goodmoney4badmoneygoodmoney4badmoney Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭✭

    It’s broadstruck, and real.

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    @JBK, thank you for your suggestion. I suspect you may have not seen my other posts, but I am currently a neophyte's neophyte in numismatics. It is not my coin, I am trying to help a couple who has down sized, and they asked me to come in for other things, and after learning they could trust me, asked me to help them with this, to make a long story short. I will look up "Broadstrike/broadstruck," as terminology, the ability to grade, and be accurate with grading are not strong points at all at this time for me! I will check it out! I guess becuase it is struck too hard/broadstruck, the details show up better, i.e., FS. Thank you!

    @davewesen, I did weigh it, but I do not have a fine enough scale to know better than 0.2 oz. It could be a quarter, and that is what I thought it was. The dealer thought I was wrong... I will look with a 30X to see if I can see copper, and if I do, I will post that. Thank you, Greg.

    @Sapyx, Thanks! Excellent info. I will do exactly what you are suggesting, and look at the link you have sent. This is NOTHING but a learning process, that is for sure!

    @goodmoney4badmoney, thank you for your input, and opinion! Great to hear it is real! Is there a BIG value change for this one due to it being centered and broadstruck, or is this vernally minimal, but very cool only? I will follow the instructions I have been given and check myself too. Thank you, Greg.

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    I am finding about $20 - $60 bucks on average for these, no bank breaker for my client unfortunately!

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    nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent photography too!
    Luster is well illustrated and that sucker almost looks to have full steps as well!

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    BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 8,016 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sharp coin.

    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,720 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A very nice example of a large broad struck out of collar nickel

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors
    for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very unique coin and an excellent picture. Certainly a good error coin. Cheers, RickO

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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    👍🏼Nice.



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    yspsalesyspsales Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would not sell it for $60.

    I have always regretted selling off my cool cherry picks.

    Get it graded and keep it. Very cool coin

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a great Broadstrike. Should be worth more than a normal Broadstrike.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PS: good pix

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
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    It looks like a real broadstrike to me. Nice coin!

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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice error coin

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    DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice broadstruck @browntrout!

    Not a lottery win but definitely a coin that's worth a conversation

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    KliaoKliao Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Awesome broadstrike. Love it!

    Young Numismatist/collector
    75 Positive BST transactions buying and selling with 45 members and counting!
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    fnettyfnetty Posts: 32 ✭✭✭

    That's a nice coin!

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    Wow! I guess this coin has been my first real interesting post so far! Well, out of 600 - 800 coins, maybe we finally got one! Hahaha! That is better than none! Let me address each persons comments individually. However, we lost power here at about 12:30 PM today, and it is not going to be back on until tonight, and my phone and computer batteries are low, so if it cuts out... I will address everyone once we have power again.

    @nwcoast , thank you for your comment. This has becoming very interesting all of a sudden! Glad I did not skip it!

    @BLUEJAYWAY, Thank you! I am obviously very pleased with the positive comments about this one!

    @FredWeinberg, Wow! Great! Thank you for the nice comment.

    @ricko, Thank you RickO! I am happy with everyones comments! Maybe this one should be graded?

    @Type2, Thank you. Glad I looked at every single coin!

    @yspsales, Thanks for the good advice. Finally, a gradable coin! This is my client's, not mine! I wish apparently! They will be glad to know it!

    @CaptHenway, thank you for the information! And the compliment on the pictures. This has worried me since I started this project 3-4 weeks ago! Very simple, desk lamp and my iPhone! I am surprised ,as I was using a different set up previously for my other posts, that did not show the shine and wheel in the coins - maybe I need to redo those, and repost... not sure!

    @GeyerCoinAuctions, thank you! Great to get positive feedback finally on something! Hehehe! Ignorance is not always bliss! But, often it is!

    @ErrorsOnCoins, Hey! Thanks! Now I need to figure out to grade, or send off to sell for my client, and let the appropriate auction company send it in for grading instead! Always a learning process.

    @DeplorableDan, Well, at least I found one worth discussion! Took a lot of work, let alone, being essentially the last coin of them all! Thanks!

    @Kliao, thank you too! Glad I am finally bringing some smiles to faces here, instead of frustration! Hehe!

    @fnetty, Excellent to hear again! Thank you very much for the comment!

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,284 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If your weight is correct the coin is 5.6999 grams which is a little heavier than a 1999 Jeff nickel. That is real close to the cupro nickel quarter weight of 5.67 grams and might account for the heavier weight. Assuming your weight is correct. If so you have a keeper. JMO Congrats.
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

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    @Jesbroken, Hey! Thank you. I will see if I a friend has a more precise scale, I do not. I measured 0.2 Oz = 5.669905. Wow! I guess that is about as close as you get with a bad scale! Thank you for your comments Jim. I am very happy for my customer and my efforts as a MASSIVE neophyte in numismatics! Greg.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,284 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good luck, bt, hope you do well.
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
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    @jesbroken, Not for me, for my customer who I am helping! But, maybe there is a small bite in it for me too then! Thank you!

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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,356 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1999 was a particularly good year for errors. I've also have never understood how they are graded. The coin's condition can be so perfect without nary of a mark of any kind but yet are graded MS65 or MS66.

    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

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    @leothelyon, thank you for your comment. Very interesting. I will take a look at your link, thank you. My concern is, could this coin get graded to such a high value that I then need to client to pay the, what is is, 1% on a very high valuations to PCGS? They are retirees, and that could be an issue fro them. I have my eight free new membership grades available, so that is not the issue, but, if there is a chance of great value, then I need to be careful with them, and for them! Thanks, Greg.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't know if the vouchers can be used on errors. Errors cost more. The cost may come close to, or exceed, the value.

    Also, I believe that with errors the actual grade (as long as MS) is less important than the error attribution.

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a great coin!

    1999 is a great year for errors as mentioned, and for broadstrucks too!

    So much, that I've started a old small ANACS slab type set for 1999 broadstrucks!

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    @JBK, Ahhhh! I guess that kind of makes sense about the vouchers. Plus, why spend the money to grade, other than for posterity and protection of the coin if the coin is not worth a lot anyway... Attribution of the error also makes sense. I found that it appears most of these 1999-P 5C Broadstruck pieces do not really exceed about $200.00 at auction too. https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/1999-p-5c-jefferson-nickel-broadstruck-ms66-full-steps-ngc/a/60160-92089.s

    @Zoins, Thank you. Wow! That is cool about the ANACS slabs for the 1999 broadstrucks!

    Sincerely, Greg.

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    daltexdaltex Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @browntrout said:

    @davewesen, I did weigh it, but I do not have a fine enough scale to know better than 0.2 oz. It could be a quarter, and that is what I thought it was. The dealer thought I was wrong... I will look with a 30X to see if I can see copper, and if I do, I will post that. Thank you, Greg.

    Greg,

    If you can't see the copper colored core with your naked eye, it's not there. Go to your pocket change and pull out a quarter, the last one you got in change. Look at the rims. That's the copper color we're talking about.

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    @daltex, that makes a lot of sense, I have not yet pulled it back out, but I will take a look. Know exactly what you are talking about though with quarters. Thank you, Greg.

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    does your oz scale also give weights in grams?

    it is looking like a regular centered nickel broadstrike

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    @davewesen, Yes, it does have grams, and I can check that in the morning, as I just woke up, and our power is out in the area here again. Of course, I fell to sleep with the computer on playing Fargo on Hulu, on battery, so just about dead (just happened a couple of days ago too - they needed to change a transformer, which they had to bring in), I will check and post, thank you, Greg.

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    LukeMarshallLukeMarshall Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @leothelyon said:

    @browntrout said:


    Great thread illustrating the 1999 Broadstruck Jefferson Nickel

    1.In Collar
    2.Partial Collar
    3.Out of Collar

    Neat to see the three side by side, and too the OP great error coin!

    It's all about what the people want...

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    @LukeMarshall, thank you for the combination post, cool to learn and understand. So, the one my client has is "out of collar." Thank you for the kind comment. This coin will be sold, so people are welcome to make their offers. The caveat is, the owners have last say, and obviously, the high offer will win. Thank you, Greg.

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