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1972 dbl die? (I’m bad with this kind of stuff)

OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 4, 2022 8:00AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I feel stupid asking this, I’m thinking machine doubling but it’s been bugging me since I found it. Please share your feedback, thank you!

Edit: My 3rd time coin roll hunting!

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    OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Congrats! That one is a doubled die. :)

    What!!

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    MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not the biggie for the year, but still a nice doubled die.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now see if you can nail down what one it is. ;)

    http://www.varietyvista.com/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/DDO 1972.htm

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,836 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If his pics were just a little bit better.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK I wanted to give you a like, agree & lol but you know that's not how it works so you got a lol. ;)

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    OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s the FS-102 or 107. More pics too!




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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Check for the die gouge to confirm 102 ;)

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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,788 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And flatten down the staples on that 2x2! ;)

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    OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    And flatten down the staples on that 2x2! ;)

    I was in such a rush I did it backwards!

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    OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Check for the die gouge to confirm 102 ;)

    Not seeing it, are you?

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hard to tell but it looks like it might be there. ;)

    If you are having a hard time seeing it there is also a slight difference with the W in WE between the 102 & 107.

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    morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice, congrats on the find!! Zooming in on your last pic it looks like the die gouge is there.

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    OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Hard to tell but it looks like it might be there. ;)

    If you are having a hard time seeing it there is also a slight difference with the W in WE between the 102 & 107.

    @morgandollar1878 said:
    Nice, congrats on the find!! Zooming in on your last pic it looks like the die gouge is there.

    Thank you, your eyes are better than mine I guess. ;)

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice!

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,521 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice pick up, congrats

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not the big doubled die for 72 bit still nice. Also doubled die coins are not errors they are a variety.

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    FrazFraz Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And it ain’t worn out.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice find... Glad to see one found while CRH'ing..... Cheers, RickO

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    OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 4, 2022 7:53AM

    @ricko said:
    Nice find... Glad to see one found while CRH'ing..... Cheers, RickO

    Funny enough, I’ve only searched 8 rolls… Ever. :D

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    tincuptincup Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sure looks like a nice find to me! Congrats!

    ----- kj
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    Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 6,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anyone know the mintage of the 1972 DD?

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    2 and 7 sure look an awfully lot like just different die states of each other. i'm not really up for debating this one at this time. just a modest (obvious?) observation. @ifthevamzarockin what'd they call it at VW, evil mimic?

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:
    2 and 7 sure look an awfully lot like just different die states of each other. i'm not really up for debating this one at this time. just a modest (obvious?) observation. @ifthevamzarockin what'd they call it at VW, evil mimic?

    It's 102. You can identify 107 easily by looking for a small dot in Lincoln's mouth, and in-hand the doubling is nowhere near as clear as 102. I've been selling ANACS MS64 and MS65 RD examples of 1022 on eBay for about $60 to $125.

    102 (ANACS MS64 RD):

    107 (ANACS MS65RD):

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cmerlo1 said:

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:
    2 and 7 sure look an awfully lot like just different die states of each other. i'm not really up for debating this one at this time. just a modest (obvious?) observation. @ifthevamzarockin what'd they call it at VW, evil mimic?

    It's 102. You can identify 107 easily by looking for a small dot in Lincoln's mouth, and in-hand the doubling is nowhere near as clear as 102. I've been selling ANACS MS64 and MS65 RD examples of 1022 on eBay for about $60 to $125.

    wow. talk about a variety whose premium came down. i think i remember one of those in higher RD sell for well into 4 figures long ago, of course, a lot more examples coming to light usually does that.

    someone i know several years back, based on that prior sale was stoked to have came up with a couple nice RD gems of #2 and sent em off to HA and their hammer was quite disappointing.

    i haven't even looked at the pops in a long time. i'd have to venture a guess at least several dozen in RD at pcgs alone these days. i may have to go look up what recent examples have sold for in 65 and higher.

    still a good premium though considering the non variety price.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC I think the spread on WE shows it best that they are 2 different dies and not just die state. ;)
    In the photos you posted you can see where the secondary image on the W is not as high on the right side of the W.
    The lower part of the E is not the same either.

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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @cmerlo1 said:

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:
    2 and 7 sure look an awfully lot like just different die states of each other. i'm not really up for debating this one at this time. just a modest (obvious?) observation. @ifthevamzarockin what'd they call it at VW, evil mimic?

    It's 102. You can identify 107 easily by looking for a small dot in Lincoln's mouth, and in-hand the doubling is nowhere near as clear as 102. I've been selling ANACS MS64 and MS65 RD examples of 1022 on eBay for about $60 to $125.

    wow. talk about a variety whose premium came down. i think i remember one of those in higher RD sell for well into 4 figures long ago, of course, a lot more examples coming to light usually does that.

    someone i know several years back, based on that prior sale was stoked to have came up with a couple nice RD gems of #2 and sent em off to HA and their hammer was quite disappointing.

    i haven't even looked at the pops in a long time. i'd have to venture a guess at least several dozen in RD at pcgs alone these days. i may have to go look up what recent examples have sold for in 65 and higher.

    still a good premium though considering the non variety price.

    You might be thinking of die 4- that's the rarest of the DDO's.

    In 2015, I helped a dealer buddy of mine buy and certify a hoard of 1971 (2 rolls, RD unc), 1972 (18 rolls- dies 2,3,5,7, and 8 (with 12 die 4's mixed in), and 1973 (1 roll) DDO's. We've been dispersing it since then.

    What I've seen is the price for Die 2 and die 8 increase in 64 and 65 RD from around $30 - $40, to the all-time high of one in 65 RD for $125 each. Die 7 has never sold for more than around $65 - $70 in 65 RD. We did really well on the die 5's as well, and got $300 - $400 for some of those.

    The die 4's ranged in grade from AU to MS64 RED, with the top price for an ANACS 64 RED for $3000.

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cmerlo1 said:
    You might be thinking of die 4- that's the rarest of the DDO's.

    In 2015, I helped a dealer buddy of mine buy and certify a hoard of 1971 (2 rolls, RD unc), 1972 (18 rolls- dies 2,3,5,7, and 8 (with 12 die 4's mixed in), and 1973 (1 roll) DDO's. We've been dispersing it since then.

    What I've seen is the price for Die 2 and die 8 increase in 64 and 65 RD from around $30 - $40, to the all-time high of one in 65 RD for $125 each. Die 7 has never sold for more than around $65 - $70 in 65 RD. We did really well on the die 5's as well, and got $300 - $400 for some of those.

    The die 4's ranged in grade from AU to MS64 RED, with the top price for an ANACS 64 RED for $3000.

    .
    you're right. :) momentary misremember on my part.

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