Another 1971 year over a Doubled Die “5” 1953 & a 1962 year!

DieHardWithVengence

Now, I recognize 3 distinguished separate worn but individual “D” mint marks, however, I believe there are 4 in total. I spotted this with the naked eye, but decided to magnify it for some other naysayers. I’ve never seen one like this, at least not with this many dates, so I’m guessing it’s pretty rare having 3 separate dates on it. To the “Pareidolia” trolls, how bout them apples😎?

Check your ‘71 quarters carefully folks.

(Using a Standard Flash)

(Magnified Dates) + (Colored Highlighting)

(Clustered “D” mint marks)

DieHardWithVengence

I know and apologize for the first picture being blurry..

IkesT

Pareidolia party!

lcutler

There may be some die clashing, you may be seeing remnants of the lettering from the reverse die.

DieHardWithVengence

@IkesT please stop trolling my posts because you have nothing better to do.

DieHardWithVengence

@lcutler as for the other dates on the coin, it’s obvious to me that those other dates wouldn’t be available during the production run in 1971 to be struck even if it were a die clash, do you agree with that theory, and if so, what do you think would be the cause of the extra numbers?

lcutler

I don’t think there are any numbers, there are some vague shapes which may be from a clashed die. If it is, then it is just from the lettering on the top of the reverse. It may also just be random circulation marks. Hard to tell on a well circulated coin.

Treashunt

Pareidolia

Jzyskowski1

Oh. I see it 😁

may

Haven't you posted a couple of these?

291fifth

That needs to be slabbed! Hire some armed guards and an armored truck to transport it to the TPG of your choice.

ricko

@DieHardWithVengence ... Those are great magnified pictures, and truly confirm there are no numbers, just pareidolia interpreting wear and smudge. You are welcome to send the coin to a TPG for formal, expert evaluation. However, you will get - and pay for - the same information available here for free. Cheers, RickO

MFeld

@DieHardWithVengence said:
@IkesT please stop trolling my posts because you have nothing better to do.

He's not the one who's trolling.
If you're the least bit serious about what you've been posting, you should study lots of pictures of coins, focusing on what the numerals in their dates and mint-marks actually look like.

wozymodo

Graffiti

OAKSTAR

Hold on, we need another opinion. Let me call @emeraldATV

Project Numismatics

Don’t feed the troll!

JBK

@OAKSTAR said:
Hold on, we need another opinion. Let me call @emeraldATV

Maybe he can translate for us.

OAKSTAR

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:
Hold on, we need another opinion. Let me call @emeraldATV

Maybe he can translate for us.

LanceNewmanOCC

this should clear things up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDweYr0TlFY

jmlanzaf

@DieHardWithVengence said:
@IkesT please stop trolling my posts because you have nothing better to do.

birds of a feather do flock together.

It's pareidolia.

jmlanzaf

@DieHardWithVengence said:
@lcutler as for the other dates on the coin, it’s obvious to me that those other dates wouldn’t be available during the production run in 1971 to be struck even if it were a die clash, do you agree with that theory, and if so, what do you think would be the cause of the extra numbers?

There are no extra numbers. There are marks that under extreme magnification with serious pixelation are being interpreted by your brain as numbers. This is called pareidolia.

davewesen

amazing find, say where's Waldo?

Namvet69

Harry Nilsson said it best in The Point:
"You see what you want to see and you hear what you want to hear".

IkesT

@jmlanzaf said:

@DieHardWithVengence said:
@IkesT please stop trolling my posts because you have nothing better to do.

birds of a feather do flock together.

It's pareidolia.

My ears are burning.

PeakRarities

Quick, someone call in the "Big Guns". Were making numismatic history here with this seemingly invisible triple overdate error

jmlanzaf

@IkesT said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@DieHardWithVengence said:
@IkesT please stop trolling my posts because you have nothing better to do.

birds of a feather do flock together.

It's pareidolia.

My ears are burning.

LOL. Was more aimed at the OP, of course.

jmlanzaf

@DeplorableDan said:
Quick, someone call in the "Big Guns". Were making numismatic history here with this seemingly invisible triple overdate error

It's only invisible to you because you don't have 20/15 vision.

Oldhoopster

@DieHardWithVengence said:
Now, I recognize 3 distinguished separate worn but individual “D” mint marks, however, I believe there are 4 in total. I spotted this with the naked eye, but decided to magnify it for some other naysayers. I’ve never seen one like this, at least not with this many dates, so I’m guessing it’s pretty rare having 3 separate dates on it. To the “Pareidolia” trolls, how bout them apples😎?

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You said
To the “Pareidolia” trolls, how bout them apples

1. If the underlying coin is a 1953 AND 1962, why doesn't it weigh the same as a standard silver quarter?
2. Since it is a clad Coin and the mint didn't start producing those until 1965, what is your explanation on how they were struck on earlier dated coins?
3. Do the fonts on your coin EXACTLY match the fonts used in 1953 and 1962? Remember, the mint is a high speed, high volume production process. If it doesn't match the font exactly, there is no possible way for it to be a production piece
4. Did you have an XRF done to check for silver content? This is a simple, accurate way to confirm the composition and there is no reason to avoid it. Search the archives and confirm what the members with materials science backgrounds say

Congratulations, you've done an excellent job of showing why your coin has nothing more than random marks on a well circulated example and can't be some extraordinary "I think it looks like...." Impossibility

jmlanzaf

The funniest thing really isn't the pareidolia dates. I mean at least it actually has ONE date. The "4 D's" are even more stunningly pareidoliac. [I coined a new word. ]

jmlanzaf

These threads become more fun once you know you don't need to take them seriously. I always feel badly when some newbie shows up with a real question and gets treated badly because of threads like this. However, once you know there's nothing serious happening here, it's like the clown car rolled into the Big Top.

messydesk

Deciding between responses to this coin:

A: LSD is a powerful drug.

B: There was a mid-20th century mint employee that formed a secret society that believed that the 9-year locust would bring fortune and enlightenment to those that paid appropriate tribute. The first brood to hatch while he was employed was in 1953, at which time he decided it would be a good idea to stash away a 1953 quarter obverse working hub as a memento. In 1962 he used it to add an impression to a 1962 working die as a tribute to the locusts, but that die was discovered before being used and condemned. The expected brood of locusts wasn't as widespread as it was in 1953, so he blamed himself and promised to do right by them in 1971. Some of his followers asserted that it was a different brood, even saying he was crazy even thinking there were 9-year locusts, since 9 is not a prime number. This caused a bit of a schism in the group, with several dissenters, pejoratively labeled the "non-9ists," leaving. He once again hid a working obverse hub, this time dated 1962. He was caught off-guard a year earlier when they came out in full force in 1970. Not knowing wanting to anger the expected 1971 brood, he did nothing until 1971, when he used both hubs to re-impress a 1971 working die. Coins such as the OP's were produced in limited quantity before being discovered, but there were no locusts that year. By then, his followers had moved on to cults that had much better drugs that would allow them to see whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted.

Fraz

Just call me Ennuieenie.

Oldhoopster

@messydesk said:
Deciding between responses to this coin:

A: LSD is a powerful drug.

B: There was a mid-20th century mint employee that formed a secret society that believed that the 9-year locust would bring fortune and enlightenment to those that paid appropriate tribute. The first brood to hatch while he was employed was in 1953, at which time he decided it would be a good idea to stash away a 1953 quarter obverse working hub as a memento. In 1962 he used it to add an impression to a 1962 working die as a tribute to the locusts, but that die was discovered before being used and condemned. The expected brood of locusts wasn't as widespread as it was in 1953, so he blamed himself and promised to do right by them in 1971. Some of his followers asserted that it was a different brood, even saying he was crazy even thinking there were 9-year locusts, since 9 is not a prime number. This caused a bit of a schism in the group, with several dissenters, pejoratively labeled the "non-9ists," leaving. He once again hid a working obverse hub, this time dated 1962. He was caught off-guard a year earlier when they came out in full force in 1970. Not knowing wanting to anger the expected 1971 brood, he did nothing until 1971, when he used both hubs to re-impress a 1971 working die. Coins such as the OP's were produced in limited quantity before being discovered, but there were no locusts that year. By then, his followers had moved on to cults that had much better drugs that would allow them to see whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted.

Great explanation. Well done lol

milbroco

Explanation B is more likely.

MasonG

I don't know... looks good to me.

johnny9434

@291fifth said:
That needs to be slabbed! Hire some armed guards and an armored truck to transport it to the TPG of your choice.

Get expensive insurance 😫 for good measure ...

may

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OH MY GOSH GUYS I THINK I FOUND A QUINTUPLE OVERDATE!!!

jmlanzaf

@DieHardWithVengence said:
@davewesen, saw him last night while we were xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

Pareidolia.

DieHardWithVengence

@Namvet69 while I agree that sometimes I only hear what I want to hear (at least I did much more in my teenage years,) my eyes don’t play tricks on me as so many people here seem to think, even though I’m sure none of them have the ability to factually diagnose Pareidolia as an answer for something they themselves just don’t see. But I’ll just send my items in for grading regardless of yours and everyone else’s personal opinions or ludicrous sarcasm. I can’t help that others have been searching for their unicorns for their entire lives and have never come across one, but that doesn’t give them the right to tear others down when they do come across something unique.

milbroco

Please post scans of the graded coins. Graded by a reputable company and not a fly by night do it yourself grading company. Show us you are right........which you are not.

Vetter

Put your money where your mouth is and stop your silly games here and send it in for authentication. If anything it will give the graders a good laugh (probably), if not and it does get into a holder. You can rub it into our faces (100% never going to happen).
If you don’t want to spend money there, how about some glasses. It’s clear you need them.

BStrauss3

@Vetter said:
If you don’t want to spend money there, how about some glasses. It’s clear you need them.

Oooo "My Cousin Vinnie"

https://youtu.be/wsG1_wahKVc

Jzyskowski1

Did you call me.

BStrauss3

There's no shame in pareidolia - it's a deep-seated evolutionary behavior: The downside of assuming a predator is lurking at the watering hole is low. The downside of NOT assuming a predator is lurking can be very, very bad.

When it comes to imaginary errors on beat-up parking lot coins, the only downside will be to your wallet. The graders at the TPG will enjoy the laughs, given the assault of the monster boxes is just around the corner.

jmlanzaf

@DieHardWithVengence said:
@Namvet69 while I agree that sometimes I only hear what I want to hear (at least I did much more in my teenage years,) my eyes don’t play tricks on me as so many people here seem to think, even though I’m sure none of them have the ability to factually diagnose Pareidolia as an answer for something they themselves just don’t see. But I’ll just send my items in for grading regardless of yours and everyone else’s personal opinions or ludicrous sarcasm. I can’t help that others have been searching for their unicorns for their entire lives and have never come across one, but that doesn’t give them the right to tear others down when they do come across something unique.

Pareidolia is not your eyes playing tricks on you. Pareidolia is a natural occurrence where you brain tries to interpret images in terms of familiar objects. You, sir, are the poster child for pareidolia as well as the Queen of De Nial.

MasonG

@jmlanzaf said:
Pareidolia is not your eyes playing tricks on you. Pareidolia is a natural occurrence where you brain tries to interpret images in terms of familiar objects.

So if you're not susceptible to pareidolia, you're not normal?

jmlanzaf

@MasonG said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Pareidolia is not your eyes playing tricks on you. Pareidolia is a natural occurrence where you brain tries to interpret images in terms of familiar objects.

So if you're not susceptible to pareidolia, you're not normal?

Probably. LOL. Some people are probably more subject to it than others. But it's really evolutionary. Your brain needs to instantaneously process images (LION! RUN!) If your brain spends a lot of time trying to decide unicorn or lion, you get eaten. If your brain has never seen a lion, it is going to interpret the image as a giant cat or something familiar - and you may get eaten.

Despite the OP's sensitivity to the term, it is not an eye disease or even a brain disease. It can reach extremes (such as the OP) but most people who quickly see Jesus in a waffle recognize that it is not a Jesus waffle when they stop and think about it. Where it appears to be a bit of a pathology is when someone stares at the image carefully (after posting it on the internet) and becomes convinced that it is indeed a Jesus waffle.

MasonG

@jmlanzaf said:
It can reach extremes (such as the OP) but most people who quickly see Jesus in a waffle recognize that it is not a Jesus waffle when they stop and think about it.

You mean it's not Jesus? Say it ain't so!

jmlanzaf

@MasonG said:

@jmlanzaf said:
It can reach extremes (such as the OP) but most people who quickly see Jesus in a waffle recognize that it is not a Jesus waffle when they stop and think about it.

You mean it's not Jesus? Say it ain't so!

Well, sometimes a Jesus waffle is just a waffle...and sometimes a Jesus waffle is a Jesus waffle.
-unknown Freud quote

ifthevamzarockin

jmlanzaf

@MasonG said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Pareidolia is not your eyes playing tricks on you. Pareidolia is a natural occurrence where you brain tries to interpret images in terms of familiar objects.

So if you're not susceptible to pareidolia, you're not normal?

P.S. Face pareidolia is apparently almost universal with even autistic patients who have facial recognition issues demonstrating it.

form healthjade.com

Is pareidolia a mental illness?
It depends. Pareidolia is a phenomenon of recognizing patterns, shapes and familiar objects — often faces — where they do not actually exist 3). Faces convey primal information for your social life. This information is so primal that people sometimes find faces in non-face objects. Pareidolia is recognized in healthy humans as young as eight to 10 months of age 4). Pareidolia has also been reported to be a phenomenon analogous to visual hallucinations in patients with dementia with Lewy bodies and in Parkinson’s disease without dementia 5). Face pareidolia seems to be a universal phenomenon, and it has been observed even in autistic individuals who may show a deficit in face processing 6). Akechi et al. 7) recorded the N170 event-related potential in age-matched autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and control adolescents during the perception of objects and faces-in-objects. The results showed that both the autism spectrum disorder (ASD) adolescents and the healthy developing adolescents showed highly similar face-likeness ratings. Both groups also showed enhanced face-sensitive N170 amplitudes to face-like objects vs. objects. The authors concluded that both autism spectrum disorder (ASD) adolescents and the healthy developing adolescents individuals exhibit perceptual and neural sensitivity to face-like features in objects 8).

Compared with other types of illusion, pareidolia is unique in how the illusion often becomes more intense with increased attention to it. Similar neural processes trigger pareidolic illusions and visual hallucinations, which has led to speculation that pareidolia represents a susceptibility to visual hallucinations 9).