@logger7 said:
Many coins are too estoteric for people to know the real value unless they are familiar with the hobby, of course coins with intrinsic value may be a big issue and there are tell tale signs of real value in a package as well.
The PCGS price guide value is given along with the TrueView.
@logger7 said:
Many coins are too estoteric for people to know the real value unless they are familiar with the hobby, of course coins with intrinsic value may be a big issue and there are tell tale signs of real value in a package as well.
The PCGS price guide value is given along with the TrueView.
I realize that and if a big fat number jumps out when someone is for some reason targetting a given package, finds it, and has the larcenous itch then they could steal it. Not sure what the chance of that happening though. The price guide is high retail and few coins are worth that, and a potential thief when they see a 3c nickel come up on the screen with a $2000 price guide accessible, may be quite underwhelmed realizing the ability to fence it at 1/3 of that number is in serious doubt.
@Pnies20 said:
That’s interesting to take into account when shipping
But that’s a very specific thing for someone to be looking for. The average person wouldn’t be attempting that. I think it would be very rare that someone would find your coins that way.
There is also faraday technology that could be used for shipping if you have to ship high value coins it may be worth it to look into.
Faraday technology, please explain?
So I don’t know how the PO works but here is my concern. It seems that many ship registered mail and of course get insurance. Of course, the sky’s the limit on the insurance, depending on what is sent. Are the POs controls tight enough to control who has access to said package at any given time, with sig, initials, etc. I am assuming, but we all know how assuming goes! In other words make it very difficult to lift a package by making it very difficult to divert. I am good friends with head person at our little PO. Think I’ll let her walk me through the particulars.
Fortunately I only lost a pocketknife though the mail when I was a youngster and it was insured. No easy chore getting the money back, though.
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It doesn’t allow any type of electronic/RFID/Bluetooth access through the bag.
@Downtown1974 said:
Let me preface this by saying I am a huge advocate of the new NFC technology PCGS uses in their current slabs. I believe it to be the pinnacle in TPG services. With that said, I’d like to share something that happened today. I also brought up a similar situation about a year ago but felt that it fell on deaf ears.
While at the post office today, I was in line awaiting my turn with my parcel in my hand. The parcel was a small flat rate box which contained 2 PCGS coins. Both of these coins had the NFC chip embedded in the slab label. While I was waiting, I feel my phone (which was in my front pocket) vibrate which indicated I had an alert. I reached in and pulled out my phone to find that the alert was PCGS asking if I wanted to view the coins in the app? The phone in my pocket was able to sense the NFC chip of the coins inside my well packed parcel. So upon opening the app, there on my screen was the coins along with the TrueViews and all of the info about the coins including PCGS guide value.
I emailed PCGS about this the last time it happened. I don’t remember hearing back about it.
The slabbed coins shipped today were in sleeves, then placed in Intercept Shield holders, then in another sleeve. Then they were wrapped in packing paper and boxed with tape. Maybe wrapping them in aluminum foil could “jam” the signal of the chip during the shipping process?….I don’t know.
Just want to raise awareness that the contents of your packaged coins could be revealed during transit even if there is no malicious act intended.
Bolding in the quote seen above is mine. Easy enough to do. I just increased my budget for aluminum foil. Not the cheap stuff either. Heavy Duty ReynoldsWrap®.
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"Near Field Communication (NFC) is designed to be a short-range form of RFID. Originally, NFC built on the ISO 14443 standard for transactions. This standard limited the read range to a few inches in order to prevent eavesdropping on tag-to-reader communication. More recently, NFC has incorporated the ISO 15693 standard, which offers a maximum read range of about 3 feet. So it would make sense to use ISO 15693 tags, rather than NFC tags based on ISO 14443.
It is possible to increase the read range by creating a much larger loop in the reader antenna. A larger tag antenna would increase the read range only slightly. Of course, if you want a read range of longer than 3 feet, you should consider using passive ultrahigh-frequency (UHF) RFID."
—Mark Roberti, Founder and Editor, RFID Journal
I would start covering the slab with foil if you want to keep anyone from reading inside the package.
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@fathom said:
If this were really a concern would not our host be shipping submissions back in protective material?
Do they think registered mail is enough security?
Are they looking to revise shipping instructions?
Someone from PCGS please respond to this important thread.
I think it would be in their best interest to be proactive on this concern.
What exactly do you expect PCGS to say about this? Most people consider the Secure Shield slabs to be a benefit. I read through this entire thread. I failed to see anyone make a compelling argument why this is a real problem. Nothing bad actually happened here. All I saw was plenty of people spreading fear and paranoia based on almost nothing at all.
@jerseyben said:
What exactly do you expect PCGS to say about this? Most people consider the Secure Shield slabs to be a benefit. I read through this entire thread. I failed to see anyone make a compelling argument why this is a real problem. Nothing bad actually happened here. All I saw was plenty of people spreading fear and paranoia based on almost nothing at all.
This is NOT an esoteric concern. Thieves may not quite realize YET that all they need to do is download an app and then they can easily go hunting for packages that basically when asked broadcast that they contain valuables, but people will learn soon enough and this will DEFINITELY become a flashing neon sign saying 'steal me'.
The solution is indeed simple, just wrap in aluminum foil, you don't need anything fancier than that, but that is now MANDATORY for any shippers of coins with RFID tags (or anything valuable with an RFID tag).
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The PCGS price guide value is given along with the TrueView.
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I realize that and if a big fat number jumps out when someone is for some reason targetting a given package, finds it, and has the larcenous itch then they could steal it. Not sure what the chance of that happening though. The price guide is high retail and few coins are worth that, and a potential thief when they see a 3c nickel come up on the screen with a $2000 price guide accessible, may be quite underwhelmed realizing the ability to fence it at 1/3 of that number is in serious doubt.
It doesn’t allow any type of electronic/RFID/Bluetooth access through the bag.
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Bolding in the quote seen above is mine. Easy enough to do. I just increased my budget for aluminum foil. Not the cheap stuff either. Heavy Duty ReynoldsWrap®.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
I've received two orders back in the last two weeks and both were shipped via FedEx. Not sure if that is a new policy or just random.
Approx. values?
"Near Field Communication (NFC) is designed to be a short-range form of RFID. Originally, NFC built on the ISO 14443 standard for transactions. This standard limited the read range to a few inches in order to prevent eavesdropping on tag-to-reader communication. More recently, NFC has incorporated the ISO 15693 standard, which offers a maximum read range of about 3 feet. So it would make sense to use ISO 15693 tags, rather than NFC tags based on ISO 14443.
It is possible to increase the read range by creating a much larger loop in the reader antenna. A larger tag antenna would increase the read range only slightly. Of course, if you want a read range of longer than 3 feet, you should consider using passive ultrahigh-frequency (UHF) RFID."
—Mark Roberti, Founder and Editor, RFID Journal
I would start covering the slab with foil if you want to keep anyone from reading inside the package.
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
My last order received came by FedEx as well.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
One was $3500, the other around $8k.
What exactly do you expect PCGS to say about this? Most people consider the Secure Shield slabs to be a benefit. I read through this entire thread. I failed to see anyone make a compelling argument why this is a real problem. Nothing bad actually happened here. All I saw was plenty of people spreading fear and paranoia based on almost nothing at all.
If you want to do it the easy way, get the foil, some spray adhesive, an Xacto Knife, and the unassembled flat rate boxes.
Spray the box, stick the foil, trim the excess and assemble the box. You've made a mini Faraday cage.
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This is NOT an esoteric concern. Thieves may not quite realize YET that all they need to do is download an app and then they can easily go hunting for packages that basically when asked broadcast that they contain valuables, but people will learn soon enough and this will DEFINITELY become a flashing neon sign saying 'steal me'.
The solution is indeed simple, just wrap in aluminum foil, you don't need anything fancier than that, but that is now MANDATORY for any shippers of coins with RFID tags (or anything valuable with an RFID tag).