Two more lovely clips I just picked up...1964 nickel and 1965 quarter

Kurisu

45 years and I never had a single clip in my collection until a couple weeks ago.

And just like that I'm completely fascinated lol.

So I just picked up my 2nd and 3rd clips and based on my new found clip knowledge I believe they are legit.
I'm especially liking clips that are at the top or bottom of the coins for some reason.

ricko

Nice finds.... Were these from roll hunting? I know you have been doing a lot of roll hunting lately. Good Blakesley effect on the nickel. Cheers, RickO

MWallace

I'm not so sure the Quarter is a genuine clip
@seanq will know.

Kurisu

@ricko said:
Nice finds.... Were these from roll hunting? I know you have been doing a lot of roll hunting lately. Good Blakesley effect on the nickel. Cheers, RickO

I have been doing quite a lot of searching but these were both purchased, $11 total!!

@MWallace said:
I'm not so sure the Quarter is a genuine clip
@seanq will know.

It's my first straight clip...I THINK it's legit.

JBK

That flattened rim at the end of "Liberty" is troubling...

(I'll delete if I'm wrong, ).

Aren't straight clips not usually perfectly straight after striking? 🤔

FredWeinberg

The nickel clip is genuine and the quarter “clip” is man-made

Kurisu

@FredWeinberg said:
The nickel clip is genuine and the quarter “clip” is man-made

Thank you Fred!
What's the obvious, or not so obvious indicator that the straight clip isn't genuine?
If that's fairly easy to answer...

ctf_error_coins

Quarter is fake
Nickel is real

FredWeinberg

There’s no Blakesley effect opposite the ‘straight clip’, there’s no metal flow,
and there’s no ‘cut and tear’marks inside the clip area itself

johnny9434

i prefer the nickel, jmo

Kurisu

@FredWeinberg said:
There’s no Blakesley effect opposite the ‘straight clip’, there’s no metal flow,
and there’s no ‘cut and tear’marks inside the clip area itself

Thank you.
I think the main thing I was fooled by was the pretend Blakesley effect a bit offset...
I was imagining that the coin might want to rock and wobble in the upsetter due to the missing metal and somehow offset the effect. Excellent to understand this.

Helpful insight on the tear marks too.'
I'm noticing the straight clip has a slightly squeezed appearance to it as well.

Thank you.

gumby1234

I was thinking the same. Thst the quarter was not a genuine clip and the nickel is. Cheap tuition for you. Keep the quarter for reference on future purchases. Also look at as many photos or actual coins that you can. I like clips a lot. One of my favorites. I look for large clips whenever possible.

seanq

Thanks to everyone who paged me to this thread, I was away this weekend visiting a college with my son. I definitely agree with the opinions above, that the nickel is a genuine clip but the quarter is damaged. The biggest tip-off on the latter is the lack of metal flow where the rim meets the edge of the clip. If there is no sign of metal moving into the void left by the clip under striking pressure, then the rim was most likely cut after the strike.

Sean Reynolds

leothelyon

I know the experts have spoken but......why couldn't the quarter's missing segment be caused from being cut beyond the edge of the rolled out metal the planchet was cut from?

Leo

JBK

@leothelyon said:
I know the experts have spoken but......why couldn't the quarter's missing segment be caused from being cut beyond the edge of the rolled out metal the planchet was cut from?

Leo

As you said, the experts have spoken and they have given the reasons why it isn't a real straight (edge of strip) clip.

gumby1234

@leothelyon Even if it was and end of strip cut planchet the coin would still have the metal flow lines and a blakesly effect on it.

leothelyon

Notice the reeds on the quarter where the clip occurred. Why would some nut bother to fake those as well, for what? a $35 coin?

seanq

@gumby1234 said:
@leothelyon Even if it was and end of strip cut planchet the coin would still have the metal flow lines and a blakesly effect on it.

Correct, both of those diagnostics occur after the planchet is cut from the sheet. Blakesley effect is a remnant of the upsetting process and metal flow occurs at the strike.

Sean Reynolds

seanq

@leothelyon said:
Notice the reeds on the quarter where the clip occurred. Why would some nut bother to fake those as well, for what? a $35 coin?

There shouldn't be reeds on the inside of a clip, a that part of the planchet never touches the collar. What you are seeing is probably scrape marks from whatever cut the planchet.

Sean Reynolds