Stolen Silver Dollars - Updated 12/8 at bottom
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Posting this list here for a friend. He's already informed the Numismatic Crime Information Center.
Please call San Francisco PD should you encounter one or more of them.
1878 S VAM 18 ANACS 45 Details 4375259
1878 S VAM 18 ANACS 45 7309651
1878 S VAM 18A PCGS 61 VSS Discovery 15056024
1878 S VAM 36.1 PCGS 64 VSS 84201355
1878 S VAM 36.1 PCGS 64 28563954
1878 S VAM 36.3 ANACS 58 5329471
1878 S VAM 36A ANACS 63 OBV.PL 4659085
1878 S VAM 49 ANACS 62 7309875
1878 S VAM 76 PCGS 63 25174559
1878 S VAM 81 PCGS 58 27992083
1879 VAM 20A NGC 62 5758006004
1879 VAM 41 ANACS 62 5001953
1879 S VAM 1F2 ANACS 62 5424476
1879 S VAM 36 PCGS 66 40030150
1879 S VAM 36 PCGS 65 CAC 9210687
1879 S VAM 106 PCGS 64 Discovery 35363428
1879 S VAM 107 NGC 65 1858855002
1879 S VAM 107A ANACS 65 PL Discovery 5196138
1880 VAM 20 ANACS 50 Details 5199008
1880 S VAM 20 EDS PCGS 63 31471035
1880 S VAM 20 PCGS 66 36981361
1880 S VAM 30 PCGS 66 36325342
1880 S VAM 55 NGC 64 3896023004
1881 O VAM 14 ANACS 61 4804519
1881 S VAM 14A ANACS 63 7267231
1882 VAM 35 PCGS 63 36539647
1882 O VAM 14 ANACS 63 4782723
1882 O VAM 38A ANACS 58 5167576
1882 O VAM 38B PCGS 63 24509625
1882 S VAM 3 PCGS 64 26623892
1883 VAM 2 ANACS 64 4587702
1883 VAM 17B PCGS 65 6356432
1883 VAM 17B PCGS 65 3967283
1883 O VAM 1D PCGS 65 84354186
1883 O VAM 33 NGC 65 3376935025
1883 O VAM 55 ANACS 64 4782768
1884 VAM 8D1 PCGS 64 35004017
1884 VAM 8D2 NGC 63 1957165022
1884 VAM 8D2 PCGS 63 14677636
1884 VAM 14 NGC 64 131972004
1884 O VAM 7A PCGS 64 4058450
1884 O VAM 7A PCGS 65 VSS 44831238
1884 O VAM 37A1 NGC 63 4561622014
1884 O VAM 37A2 ANACS 64 Discovery 1422371
1884 O VAM 37A2 NGC 64 620247080
1885 VAM 3 PCGS 65 7316392
1885 VAM 3 PCGS 65 VSS 48831239
1885 VAM 14 NGC 63 1987329015
1886 VAM 1H ICG 66 3025050701
1886 VAM 1H PCGS 65 5129514
1887 VAM 6A NGC 63 1859594181
1889 VAM 5C NGC 62 4717360032
1889 VAM 12A NGC 63 3144882093
1889 VAM 29 ANACS 64 4894341
1890 VAM 1A ANACS 53 5200230
1890 O VAM 1D ANACS 60 red 4944096
1890 O VAM 7A ICG 64 5338400701
1890 O VAM 7A PCGS 63 PL 9900876
1890 O VAM 7B PCGS 63 18532387
1891 S VAM 1B ANACS 62 4566416
1891 S VAM 5C NGC 64 3010312003
1896 VAM 1D NGC 65 3755337001
1896 VAM 23 ANACS 63 4552183
1897 VAM 3A PCGS 65 81481223
1898 VAM 2A PCGS 66 VSS 44831244
1898 VAM 2A NGC 65 3241715025
1899 O VAM 7C ANACS 55 Details Discovery 5082547
1900 VAM 15A PCGS 63 30817677
1900 O VAM 21G NGC 64 4464465010
1901 O VAM 6A ANACS 40 5127873
1901 O VAM 29A PCGS 63 Details 15735235
1901 O VAM 34 ANACS 53 Details 4999111
1904 O VAM 12A ANACS 55 4871728
1904 O VAM 12B PCGS 63 PL Rattler 8148423
1904 O VAM 22A1 ANACS 64 5299248
1904 O VAM 22A2 ANACS 65 4008017
1904 O VAM 22A2 PCGS 64 VSS 39460239
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Wow, that's quite a number of coins taken, sorry that happened to your friend.
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Charles IV Portrait Set
Spanish Colonial Pillar Set
Ouch. That's a lot of Morgan Vams. I can't imagine how terrible that must feel if your friend did all that research to identify, cherrypick and collect them all.
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wow!
Sorry to hear this
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Sorry to hear, I would cry every night!!!
Ouch! That will leave a mark!! I often wondered what I would do if my collection saw stolen. It would be hard but I believe I would totally give up and walk away from the hobby.
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What are the circumstances of the theft? Location?
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Not sure yet, but since he's saying to contact the SF police department, I'm assuming it happened there.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
Smash and grab in SF. The owner saw it happen but couldn't prevent it.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
If that happened to me I would have to end it all.............
Coin Collecting, I mean.
Pete
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when you get a moment, if you will, pick say 10 of the most valuable items from the group for us to keep an eye out for. t.i.a.
Wow, that's got to be heartbreaking. All that love for the Hobby and to have it taken away in a glance. I'm not sure I'd recover. I have my small collection and sure for about 15,000, but in order to get it actually insured for what it's worth I'd have to get it appraised and I'm not sure what that cost would be or the time required to actually do it. This happened to me I'd have a hard time dealing with it but all you can do is just continually hoping that it's found. Just wondered did he have the registration numbers for all the Morgans that were stolen written down or recorded somewhere?
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Years ago a fellow collector let me know that someone had stolen a box of slabbed coins from him. He was climbing the walls with this loss. Later, eventually, he did find the box. It had found its way to the back, otherside of a drawer. He was so relieved. lol
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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400,000 value?
Yeah, I wonder sometimes if I should even show my collection to people, 'Friend of a friend' could catch wind of it and pay it a visit when i'm not around. I could hide it far out of reach but then it's out of my reach too, most of the time. Sad.
Same. I'd quit collecting and probably take up hunting.
Smash and grab and he couldn't do anything about it?
I get that it's San Fran.
Store owner?
Those coins are way above my pay grade.
Any place to look up more details now that you peaked everyone's interest?
From his car.
The NCIC alert has all the information that I know.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
Not a lot of big VAM premiums on them other than the 78-S VAM 18A in 61, which is probably about $500 in that grade. The 01-O VAM 34 probably has a good premium even in AU details, but there are some 65s and 66s of common dates that are worth just as much. The discovery pieces have a less tangible premium, but they can be critical for studying similar coins.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
This is every coin dealers nightmare, and i feel awful for him and his loss , it needs to be noted that the article in Numismatic Crimes states that the dealer was coming out of a restaurant in San Francisco to find 2 folks removing items from his vehicle….
The real lesson here is when traveling with inventory to make as few stops as possible and be extremely vigilant…
I assume that some may eventually show up on eBay, Etsy, Great Collections or Heritage Auctions for sale. GC and HA can probably flag them if you have the cert numbers, but prolly less likely with a smash and grab thug. Not sure about eBay, and Etsy ... well that is like the wild west of coin sales. I have heard that quite a lot of stolen stuff is sold on eBay.
I'm not sure if that's something where he would need to reach out to them about stolen property possibly being sold there eventually, or if that's something the investigating PD would do. May be good for them to periodically check if those coins show up there for sale since they could more readily recognize the coins.
I hope they do get their coins back, cause that has got to really suck.
They're probably on eBay.
http://numismaticcrimes.org/2022/11/17/alert-vehicle-burglary-dealer-san-francisco-ca/
Not sure I'd have the courage to open a bricks and mortar place of biz for my collections for sale.... being anonymous is so much safer.
At one time, I had planned to open a store front.
Today, I hesitate to sell an item over $100 on ebay.
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sorted a bit for those keeping an eye out
Update from the person whose coins were stolen, as posted on VAMWorld:
"Update (premature perhaps...) John Coxe discovered that some of my purloined coins were offered on ebay by Oakland Coin & Jewelry exchange. The police have been notified and (presumably) the wheels are turning (VERY slowly). While there were only 15 pieces being offered - who know - there may be more there. Maybe I will get some back - someday.... A Very special Thanks to John Coxe for that and to Lee for his incredible kindness. The VAM community really is an amazing group of folks!"
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I just ran one of the NGC cert numbers and it showed reported stolen/missing.
Well done hope your friend gets made whole.
I didn't know they did that. Pretty cool. PCGS searches come up cert not found on these.
Thanks. We all do.
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Interesting that they are showing up still slabbed.... Hope they nab the perps and the coins are recovered. Cheers, RickO
Thats terrible!!
Karma will get the Perps for sure!
While I'd like to hear that the wheels of justice slowly grind their fingers to stumps, I doubt anything will happen. They've long forgotten about this theft and moved on to victimizing others. Best we can hope for is that the coins are recovered and returned.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
this made me think of a time several years ago, a officer/detective apparently found my coin business phone number (probably called other places too) and asked how often i did business with the public and when buying from the public it would be possibly "required" that i get a copy of their id and/or information, something like that and i told them the truth, i don't do business with the public, in-person. that was that.
also a shop one state over was telling me about the newest updated requirements and that certain purchases were legally being required to be held for like 30 days or so although i don't recall which part of numismatics that applied to in that particular state but i've read variations of it on these boards over the years for different states, so wherever the theft occurred (cali?), it may not be a bad idea to brush up on the current requirements for such a thing and perhaps that could connect some dots.
i know a couple of the local antique shops also had somewhat frequent calls/visits from the PD because while a person can ask questions and try to weed out stolen goods, it is essentially impossible to get all of them but the PD would usually bring in a list of items and the conversation would go from there.
I agree. You would think they'd have cracked them out of the slabs. Good to know that at least a few are showing up.
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Being stolen, that coin store will lose all rights to those coins as expected. Hopefully they obtained some ID before consummating the deal and maybe had a store camera that captured the thieves. Not sure which ones and how many they bot, but you would have thought seeing all these vams they would have questioned the seller as to their knowledge of vams and their collecting history. Not saying they didn't, but that would have been a red flag if the seller(s) were clueless about vams. If they gave the story of inheriting the coins, I'd make sure I obtained a drivers license and prior ID.
When we recently visited Fisherman's Wharf there the parking garage was literally covered in car window glass, walking away thinking about it we retrieved our passports and kept them with us as luggage theft from vehicles is epidemic.