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burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 16, 2023 4:46PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I continue to add to the reports with the help of a couple of members without much other response; PCGS Mods had an appropriate response early on...

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1082973/the-unofficial-reporting-post-for-fake-pcgs-slabs/p1

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Please continue. I read the posts and it helps me remain aware that this problem exists and helps me know what to look out for. I would not be aware of the extent of the problem without your posts

    Mr_Spud

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    dollarfandollarfan Posts: 315 ✭✭✭

    Please continue. There are many silent viewers and the knowledge is priceless. I have said it before and shall say it again. I can't thank you enough for keeping the light shining on this horrible problem. You are doing a great service to this hobby.

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Certainly a worthwhile project, however, only you know how much time it is taking to continue with this.

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like your posts - it is interesting to see how well the newer counterfeiters are getting the coins and slabs.

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    NeophyteNumismatistNeophyteNumismatist Posts: 878 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 12, 2022 4:56PM

    @burfle23 - You have taught me more about half cent counterfeits in the last 48 hours than I have taught myself in the rest of my life combined. I really can't thank you enough for the work you are doing.

    I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 12, 2022 5:00PM

    Rather than start a new thread for these here is a couple of 1909 S VDB's that need to be removed.
    Thanks for your help! <3

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/385218277740

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185653075471

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/125593694731

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    OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23
    The information you provide on counterfeits is invaluable. I have learned a lot from your posts and articles. Please keep posting as your time permits

    Member of the ANA since 1982
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    vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have not responded because I have nothing to add.

    I do appreciate your efforts.

    Vplite99
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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Rather than start a new thread for these here is a couple of 1909 S VDB's that need to be removed.
    Thanks for your help! <3

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/385218277740

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185653075471

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/125593694731

    Reported.

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    Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 12, 2022 7:30PM

    I’m in what might be a larger category that you recognize. I don’t have any thing to add ( amazingly 😁) but I’m grateful for you investing time and energy on this topic.
    I shop alot on eBay and am certainly more aware, thanks to you and folks like “ ifthevams” etc. of the problem on the site 🤨
    Thanks very much 🙏

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

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    2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 817 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you for fighting the good fight! Even tho folks might not comment often enough your vigilance is appreciated..

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    yspsalesyspsales Posts: 2,210 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I appreciate the topic though having nothing to add.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 Here's a few more that need to be removed. ;)
    I spent a little time looking for a fake holder to contribute to your thread but this is all I have found for now.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/295327704224

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/204146121301

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/325415697481

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like ebay didn't remove this one in time. :/
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/125593694731

    This one is still active but the other 2 Morgan's have been removed. ;)
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/295327704224

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just takes patience; I suspect they are both large sellers and takes time...

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    just a reminder, if one has a dummy account or two, you can bid on the items to ensure no one else wins them. i was doing that with a couple of my accounts but i finally just switched the last one back over to try a creative-ish selling idea but if it doesn't work i'll probably switch it back.

    while i do want to put more effort into it, i think about the only way that is going to happen is if ebay would pay someone to visit the main 2-3 coin forums with a dedicated thread to items deemed counterfeit and nuke em about 1-2 times a day.

    fwiw though, you all were getting stuff nuked there for a while before virtually all the items i was bidding on actually made it to the end.

    i also would report more if people would stop ignoring my humble request to post the report item link like i've showed several times. so much more efficient/effective and i have a feeling multiple reports helps bring attention to listings. fwiw

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Looks like ebay didn't remove this one in time. :/
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/125593694731

    hey, i'll have you guys know, that is a rare authemtic undocumented inverted mm on that 09-s vdb!

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The breast feathers and the arrow feathers are comical on the 2021 CC :D

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    The breast feathers and the arrow feathers are comical on the 2021 CC :D

    .

    isn't the mm circle thing smaller too? it seems i remember looking at some of these recently and thinking the mm thing looked comically small.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah it looks off and the size & shape of the CC's. ;)

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Still reporting fake PCGS slabs with the help of a couple of friends!

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    dollarfandollarfan Posts: 315 ✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    Still reporting fake PCGS slabs with the help of a couple of friends!

    Your work has helped me become fairly proficient in carson city's and your shared knowledge is PRICELESS!!

    You are a tremendous talent to our wonderful hobby

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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :)

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I appreciate and need the knowledge. Your efforts class this place up. Happy holidays. Peace Roy

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    JimWJimW Posts: 540 ✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    I appreciate and need the knowledge. Your efforts class this place up. Happy holidays. Peace Roy

    X2 - this is really valuable information that greatly benefits all forum members!

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    KliaoKliao Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Your thread is a great resource to document the fakes out there as well as a place to learn more about what is hitting the market. The continuation of it would benefit lots of people.

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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I posted my last counterfeit coin/ holder on my reporting post; I hope everyone stays vigilant reviewing coins for sale on the internet with the increasing traffic of bad coins/ bad PCGS holders...

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    I posted my last counterfeit coin/ holder on my reporting post; I hope everyone stays vigilant reviewing coins for sale on the internet with the increasing traffic of bad coins/ bad PCGS holders...

    it is a good thing you are posting those as they are different quality coins/holders for fakes and while most are pretty obvious (to me since i have my head all the way up numismatics' butt) there are a lot of people out there that aren't as familiar and i'm quite confident that while though we don't often hear/see those our (many of us) efforts do help out in some way, i am confident we do. :)

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    AvocetAvocet Posts: 226 ✭✭✭✭

    Burfle—

    Your thread is an extremely valuable post for all of us. Your resources allow collectors like me to become savvier and avoid the scammers, which is a tremendous value to our hobby.

    I acquire coins through shows, dealers, and online resources and have encountered several hard-to-detect fakes. For the past several years, I have been studying methods to detect counterfeit slabs/coins, as this hobby is inundated with opportunities to be conned.

    You have no way of knowing that I have spent significant time studying your thread and concluding how helpful it is; I need to share those comments in the thread for feedback.

    Thank you so much for your hard work and effort in sharing this research and your progress in combating fraud. I hope you continue this thread, and I will commit to sharing examples as I find them to help in this cause.

    On a side note, as part of my research on counterfeit slabs, I came across a Webinar posted at the ANA eLearning Academy. The Webinar of 01/20/2021 features Isaiah Hageman, who is a talented young numismatist who has done significant work in counterfeit slab detection-- here is his video if you have not seen it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPWnQcUU2sE

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    vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Burfle, I appreciate your posts

    Vplite99
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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @vplite99 said:
    Burfle, I appreciate your posts

    As do I.
    Jim


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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 I love the work you put into these threads. I like others have nothing to contribute unfortunately. The knowledge you provide to us is WELL worth it. Responses may be few, but I'm sure you are having a positive impact. You have on me. Keep up the GREAT work.

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