@Rampage, I’m kinda stumped. While your folder does have Poughkeepsie NY, the paper doesn’t look right. Could you show a close up of the 3 folders-face on, and the inner pages. Everything else looks right for a first edition, but the paper. Or maybe the way you pictured it doesn’t show the textured paper. I’m not anywhere near knowledgeable about all the different styles. Yours are very early by the way.
@jfriedm56 said: @BUFFNIXX , so what would be a ballpark figure. When I talked to David Lange the other day, he said in his 40+ years of collecting these 1st editions, he’s only seen 1 Standing Liberty half dollar folder and it’s in his collection. It’s extremely rare and it looks like I own only the second one known.
The real question is how many collectors with money want to collect these early folders? My suspicion is that the number is very, very small. I consider them "interesting" but nothing I would ever pay any serious money to obtain.
@jfriedm56 said: @BUFFNIXX , so what would be a ballpark figure. When I talked to David Lange the other day, he said in his 40+ years of collecting these 1st editions, he’s only seen 1 Standing Liberty half dollar folder and it’s in his collection. It’s extremely rare and it looks like I own only the second one known.
The real question is how many collectors with money want to collect these early folders? My suspicion is that the number is very, very small. I consider them "interesting" but nothing I would ever pay any serious money to obtain.
@291fifth, I totally agree. The most I ever have spent on an old folder is 50 cents, even for 1st editions cause dealers don’t want or know or care about them. I basically collect them for the thrill of the hunt and their history. I mean that’s a part of coin collecting history, some that are 80 years old for 50 cents, it’s fun!
I posted this in a previous 'early coin folder' thread. It's of my mother, in an ad promoting collecting in folders c. 1941. She was not a coin collector, but she had this in her scrapbook and showed it to me in the '60s as I was starting to fill folders. Looks like a first edition quarter album to me.
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@jfriedm56 said: @BUFFNIXX , so what would be a ballpark figure. When I talked to David Lange the other day, he said in his 40+ years of collecting these 1st editions, he’s only seen 1 Standing Liberty half dollar folder and it’s in his collection. It’s extremely rare and it looks like I own only the second one known.
The real question is how many collectors with money want to collect these early folders? My suspicion is that the number is very, very small. I consider them "interesting" but nothing I would ever pay any serious money to obtain.
@291fifth, I totally agree. The most I ever have spent on an old folder is 50 cents, even for 1st editions cause dealers don’t want or know or care about them. I basically collect them for the thrill of the hunt and their history. I mean that’s a part of coin collecting history, some that are 80 years old for 50 cents, it’s fun!
That's the way to collect them. Never bury yourself in thin market items.
Here is an easy way to tell a first from a second edition folder.
Look at the listing of available folders on the end flap.
on the first edition folder .........
there are three folders under the heading "XX" the last of which is "No. 9024 Two Cent Nickel- Three Cent - 1864 to 1989"
while on the early second edition folders ..........
there are four folders under the XX heading the last of which is "No. 9025 Silver Dollars -- General",
Of course if the end flap is missing, incomplete or defaced you use some other point of identification such as the
texture of the blue cover (lizard skin) or the distinctive black backing visible on the inside of the folder.
When I say four folders for the second edition I mean the early editions, as folders were added to the line they were also
added to the flap.
Another way to say it ..........
The only folders with only three entries under XX on the end flap are first edition folders.
Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
@BUFFNIXX said:
Here is an easy way to tell a first from a second edition folder.
Look at the listing of available folders on the end flap.
on the first edition folder .........
there are three folders under the heading "XX" the last of which is "No. 9024 Two Cent Nickel- Three Cent - 1864 to 1989"
while on the early second edition folders ..........
there are four folders under the XX heading the last of which is "No. 9025 Silver Dollars -- General",
Of course if the end flap is missing, incomplete or defaced you use some other point of identification such as the
texture of the blue cover (lizard skin) or the distinctive black backing visible on the inside of the folder.
When I say four folders for the second edition I mean the early editions, as folders were added to the line they were also
added to the flap.
Another way to say it ..........
The only folders with only three entries under XX on the end flap are first edition folders.
To me that’s awfully confusing. For me personally, the 3 definitive bullets for a first edition are: 1) copyrighted 1940 with Poughkeepsie, N.Y. On lower last flap. 2) deep blue colored folder with alligator type textured skin. 3) internal glue lines in black colored inner holes. Easiest way to tell.
Lets me put it this way,
If you suspect that you have a first edition folder look at the XX on the end flap.
If there are only three entries for available folders under the XX then it is first edition
otherwise it is a second (or greater) edition folder
This might be a bit subtle but is the easiest way to determine if you have a first edition fodler.
buffnixx
Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
I thought perhaps I had stumbled upon a first edition Whitman Folder yet this thread saved me and it is indeed a second generation instead.
(BUFFNIXX's posts were the assist.) https://www.ebay.com/itm/276797274224
@BUFFNIXX, @braddick. Braddick, I’m not convinced that the folder you are referring to with the four lines under the XX is not a 1st edition. It has all the correct boxes checked for a 1st edition except what BUFFNIXX calls 4 lines a 2nd edition. I have not seen any written references that state it would be considered a 2nd edition if it meets all the criteria of a 1st edition, but has 4 lines instead of 3. Please show me a written reference from any credible source, such as David Lange or other authors saying 1st editions only have 3 lines, not 4 please.
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I bought these some time ago from a dealer’s silver junk box and these have the telltale signs of being in an early folder with the glue.
@jfriedm56 Here are mine...
Pretty cool!! I know a dealer that has a few he just gives away, going to look through them to see if any are older.
My current registry sets:
20th Century Type Set
Virtual DANSCO 7070
Slabbed IHC set - Missing the Anacs Slabbed coins
@Rampage, I’m kinda stumped. While your folder does have Poughkeepsie NY, the paper doesn’t look right. Could you show a close up of the 3 folders-face on, and the inner pages. Everything else looks right for a first edition, but the paper. Or maybe the way you pictured it doesn’t show the textured paper. I’m not anywhere near knowledgeable about all the different styles. Yours are very early by the way.
Here are some of mine. Acquired them in an estate.
The real question is how many collectors with money want to collect these early folders? My suspicion is that the number is very, very small. I consider them "interesting" but nothing I would ever pay any serious money to obtain.
@291fifth, I totally agree. The most I ever have spent on an old folder is 50 cents, even for 1st editions cause dealers don’t want or know or care about them. I basically collect them for the thrill of the hunt and their history. I mean that’s a part of coin collecting history, some that are 80 years old for 50 cents, it’s fun!
I posted this in a previous 'early coin folder' thread. It's of my mother, in an ad promoting collecting in folders c. 1941. She was not a coin collector, but she had this in her scrapbook and showed it to me in the '60s as I was starting to fill folders. Looks like a first edition quarter album to me.
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That's the way to collect them. Never bury yourself in thin market items.
I guess these are vintage folders. 1949 copywriter. The only good vintage folder, is a used vintage folder. 😉
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
I have a bunch of these Whitman first gen 1940 folders used to fill them as a kiddo. Has anyone seen this one, not Whitman…
Here is an easy way to tell a first from a second edition folder.
Look at the listing of available folders on the end flap.
on the first edition folder .........
there are three folders under the heading "XX" the last of which is "No. 9024 Two Cent Nickel- Three Cent - 1864 to 1989"
while on the early second edition folders ..........
there are four folders under the XX heading the last of which is "No. 9025 Silver Dollars -- General",
Of course if the end flap is missing, incomplete or defaced you use some other point of identification such as the
texture of the blue cover (lizard skin) or the distinctive black backing visible on the inside of the folder.
When I say four folders for the second edition I mean the early editions, as folders were added to the line they were also
added to the flap.
Another way to say it ..........
The only folders with only three entries under XX on the end flap are first edition folders.
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
To me that’s awfully confusing. For me personally, the 3 definitive bullets for a first edition are: 1) copyrighted 1940 with Poughkeepsie, N.Y. On lower last flap. 2) deep blue colored folder with alligator type textured skin. 3) internal glue lines in black colored inner holes. Easiest way to tell.
Lets me put it this way,
If you suspect that you have a first edition folder look at the XX on the end flap.
If there are only three entries for available folders under the XX then it is first edition
otherwise it is a second (or greater) edition folder
This might be a bit subtle but is the easiest way to determine if you have a first edition fodler.
buffnixx
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
Moot issue for me, my wife threw them out years ago. “You don’t need these if they are empty.”
I did see one (Barber Dimes, blue Whitman) in an estate viewing not long ago - best grade was good. Any better dates were culls.
I thought perhaps I had stumbled upon a first edition Whitman Folder yet this thread saved me and it is indeed a second generation instead.
(BUFFNIXX's posts were the assist.)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276797274224
I collect them if they have never been used. I never as the half dime or seated dime books. My best would be the 20th Century Type or a Barber 50c.
@BUFFNIXX, @braddick. Braddick, I’m not convinced that the folder you are referring to with the four lines under the XX is not a 1st edition. It has all the correct boxes checked for a 1st edition except what BUFFNIXX calls 4 lines a 2nd edition. I have not seen any written references that state it would be considered a 2nd edition if it meets all the criteria of a 1st edition, but has 4 lines instead of 3. Please show me a written reference from any credible source, such as David Lange or other authors saying 1st editions only have 3 lines, not 4 please.