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joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

Hi guys,
Visiting my favorite LCS. Spotted this pair in the display case. Wow, very cool, I think. Plus, the price is even better! :D $5, a piece.



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"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2022 1:06PM

    Here's one on the bay, asking $36
    2009p


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    "Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

    --- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.
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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2022 1:09PM

    Delete
    :)

    "Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

    --- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.
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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2022 2:15PM

    @jesbroken said:
    Are you sure it's AUTHEHTIC?
    Jim

    Fascinating.

    Has ANACS ever used holders like those?

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've never seen those holders before. Why are there no grades given for them like on the other one you pictured?

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2022 2:19PM

    @gumby1234 said:
    I've never seen those holders before. Why are there no grades given for them like on the other one you pictured?

    Well, "authehtic" (sic) is a grade. You can get the same (or "genuine") from any TPGS of you don't want to pay for an actual grade.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    I've never seen those holders before. Why are there no grades given for them like on the other one you pictured?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/203899883278?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=sWim4RqEQmC&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=I7BWTu72SVS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Two more similar.


    "Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

    --- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You just wasted $4.75 on each coin.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    I've never seen those holders before. Why are there no grades given for them like on the other one you pictured?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/203899883278?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=sWim4RqEQmC&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=I7BWTu72SVS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY> @gumby1234 said:

    @jmlamzaf You mean gehuine. LOL
    @joeykoins said:
    Two more

    Did you run the cert numbers? They don't check. I think all those holders are counterfeit.

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    DCWDCW Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why would the label say "ANACS CERTIFIED?" This redundancy along with the obvious spelling error and ripoff PCGS-like slab screams "Made in China."

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did you run the cert numbers? They don't check. I think all those holders are counterfeit.

    Either they are counterfeit or ANACS Certification is down, as I also ran all 3 visible numbers with all being invalid.
    Jim


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    BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,164 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nah, those are the holders that ANACS used for "TV" bulk grading. @cmerlo1 has done a lot of work unlocking sections of the database that were not being found due to bad joins, but he only knows to go after what we tell him about :-).

    -----Burton
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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:
    Nah, those are the holders that ANACS used for "TV" bulk grading.

    ANACS printed "AUTHEHTIC" on the labels?

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's the Connecticut pronounciation

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks yall, for the heads up.
    Appreciate it!
    Can always crack out.
    :)

    "Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

    --- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.
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    hfjacintohfjacinto Posts: 766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was going to post that authentic is spelled wrong but I was too late.

    Oh well!! Great deal. I would probably not try to sell them though. The secret service may want to look at them before you sell them :s

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins... Looks like even your LCS was fooled..... and just trying to recapture their investment... If true, very unethical, find another LCS. Cheers, RickO

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,900 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was fixin' to say that I like the ANACS holders in the OP...

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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 28, 2022 8:44AM

    OK I've held back until now to ask: what's wrong with these coins? Aren't "improperly annealed" planchets a legitimate thing?

    Granted, I am not a huge fan of them (unless I find one myself), but they seem to trade as bona fide "errors".

    The spelling error on the label is goofy, and the second-tier (?) TPG is worth noting, but isn't the coin otherwise collectable (by some)?

    One member here who sells error coins for a living has lots of them on his website.

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    wozymodowozymodo Posts: 138 ✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    OK I've held back until now to ask: what's wrong with these coins? Aren't "improperly annealed" planchets a legitimate thing?

    There is doubt as to their "AUTHEHTICITY". There is a possibility that they may be improperly "improperly annealed".

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wozymodo said:

    @JBK said:
    OK I've held back until now to ask: what's wrong with these coins? Aren't "improperly annealed" planchets a legitimate thing?

    There is doubt as to their "AUTHEHTICITY". There is a possibility that they may be improperly "improperly annealed".

    This.

    If they are authehtic ANACS slabs, spelling error aside, they are quite likely improperly annealed quarters. On the other hand, if they are not legitimate slabs, they may not be errors at all.

    Honest question: do improperly annealed planchets usually come in roll quantities? I can see how they might.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 28, 2022 9:35AM

    @BStrauss3 said:
    Nah, those are the holders that ANACS used for "TV" bulk grading. @cmerlo1 has done a lot of work unlocking sections of the database that were not being found due to bad joins, but he only knows to go after what we tell him about :-).

    They lost the numbers after 2009? That hardly instills confidence.

    I also can't find any other improperly annealed quarters in those holders. If they were for a TV guy, shouldn't there be a lot of them? All of the Samoa quarters I see (improperly annealed) are in their regular holders.

    Edited to add: there are other coins in holders like that labeled "authentic".

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 28, 2022 9:32AM

    .

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    wozymodowozymodo Posts: 138 ✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    If they are authehtic ANACS slabs, spelling error aside, they are quite likely improperly annealed quarters. On the other hand, if they are not legitimate slabs, they may not be errors at all.

    Agree

    Honest question: do improperly annealed planchets usually come in roll quantities? I can see how they might.

    Usually no, but quite possible due to equipment failure or operator error.

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,815 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:
    "Improperly annealed" - Is that any kind of error that is even collectible? I always remember Rick from Pawn Stars saying "ASKING PRICE" is "NOT GETTING PRICE" :D

    Here's to hoping your coin dealer doesn't watch Pawn Stars.......

    That is sooo true🤣

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    BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,164 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @BStrauss3 said:
    Nah, those are the holders that ANACS used for "TV" bulk grading. @cmerlo1 has done a lot of work unlocking sections of the database that were not being found due to bad joins, but he only knows to go after what we tell him about :-).

    They lost the numbers after 2009? That hardly instills confidence.

    I also can't find any other improperly annealed quarters in those holders. If they were for a TV guy, shouldn't there be a lot of them? All of the Samoa quarters I see (improperly annealed) are in their regular holders.

    Edited to add: there are other coins in holders like that labeled "authentic".

    They aren't lost. The database has data going back to the earliest XXnnnn slabs. Over time and generations of their database, they've used different fields for different purposes. To pull in all the data for presentation, he's had to write some very complex joins to work around data where one field or the other is not present, has different flag values, etc. If you don't code it perfectly, chunks where a field wasn't used, can be "invisible".

    The data that has been "lost" is the photo-cert data. It's actually in the ANA library but is stored on Zip disks. Nobody has put the effort into recovering the data from the old media and then trying to extract it from some database that equally is no longer used...

    -----Burton
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    MetroDMetroD Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:

    They aren't lost. The database has data going back to the earliest XXnnnn slabs. Over time and generations of their database, they've used different fields for different purposes. To pull in all the data for presentation, he's had to write some very complex joins to work around data where one field or the other is not present, has different flag values, etc. If you don't code it perfectly, chunks where a field wasn't used, can be "invisible".

    The data that has been "lost" is the photo-cert data. It's actually in the ANA library but is stored on Zip disks. Nobody has put the effort into recovering the data from the old media and then trying to extract it from some database that equally is no longer used...

    I am NOT a computer person. So, please excuse the potentially ignorant IT-related question.

    If the OP contacts ANACS, can someone there access their "database", and provide a definitive response regarding authenticity?

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    BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,164 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe. The CSRs might just be using a version of the same query screen you and I use.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
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    MetroDMetroD Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:
    Maybe. The CSRs might just be using a version of the same query screen you and I use.

    Thanks for the info. :)

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,672 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This post has been very enlightening. It's like watching the dissection of a magic trick. IMO. Thanks for some cogent info. Peace Roy

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    vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hard pass for me, but like they say, "Whatever floats your boat!"

    Vplite99
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    wozymodowozymodo Posts: 138 ✭✭✭

    Cooked in a Wok! :D

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:

    This redundancy along with the obvious spelling error and ripoff PCGS-like slab screams "Made in China."

    Well, like the "Good Ole Boys" would say - This Crap is "Made In Chiner"

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @crazyhounddog said:

    @Steven59 said:
    "Improperly annealed" - Is that any kind of error that is even collectible? I always remember Rick from Pawn Stars saying "ASKING PRICE" is "NOT GETTING PRICE" :D

    Here's to hoping your coin dealer doesn't watch Pawn Stars.......

    That is sooo true🤣

    So- it's okay to post "libelous (accusatory, attacking) remarks concerning any individual, company, or other entity" now, then?

    Is that new?

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    So- it's okay to post "libelous (accusatory, attacking) remarks concerning any individual, company, or other entity" now, then?

    Is that new?

    Youl'll have t o show us where you're coming from to even care!

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:
    Youl'll have t o show us where you're coming from to even care!

    Flagged your post. I guess we'll see how PCGS feels about their rules. :)

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    MetroDMetroD Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:
    Why would the label say "ANACS CERTIFIED?" This redundancy along with the obvious spelling error and ripoff PCGS-like slab screams "Made in China."

    I am not, repeat NOT, saying that this is a genuine ANACS holder. That said, it appears that at least some genuine ANACS holders have "ANACS Certified" on the label.

    An example from the ANACS website:

    Source: https://anacs.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Grading-Brochure.pdf

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    Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 29, 2022 7:09PM

    Fight.
    Fighting in the thread 😸😁
    In the orange corner MasonG. Weighting in at 5200posts. And in the the grey corner Steven59.
    Weighting in at 4750 posts. 😂😂
    Tonight’s referee will be “ the PCGS Moderator “🦫

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jzyskowski1 said:
    Fight.
    Fighting in the thread 😸😁
    In the orange corner MasonG. Weighting in at 5200posts. And in the the grey corner Steven59.
    Weighting in at 4750 posts. 😂😂
    Tonight’s referee will be “ the PCGS Moderator

    The referee could also be Rick Harrison's attorney.

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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jzyskowski1 said:
    Fight.
    Fighting in the thread 😸😁
    In the orange corner MasonG. Weighting in at 5200posts. And in the the grey corner Steven59.
    Weighting in at 4750 posts. 😂😂

    Post count is irrelevant.

    PCGS Rule #2:
    Posts must not contain libelous (accusatory, attacking) remarks concerning any individual, company, or other entity.

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    Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Easy there buddy. Ofcourse, post count is irrelevant. 😁
    I was being funny. The whole thing is kinda irrelevant. I was making humor. Dang, I was just surprised to see you guys seriously arguing about something rather trivial. Thought I’d lighten things up.
    Very sorry if I hurt your feelings and same to Steve. I respect both of you very very much.😁

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 29, 2022 8:45PM

    You didn't hurt my feelings. Don't know about Steve, he seemed kind of bothered about the Pawn Stars guys but you'd have to ask him about that.

    @Steven59 said:
    Here's to hoping your coin dealer doesn't watch Pawn Stars.......

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    FrazFraz Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    …I guess we'll see how PCGS feels about their rules. :)

    I I can address that topic.

    However, I use Joeys’s thread to show an eBay offer that fell my way—kind of a scary auction—only I bid—the seller markets rummage on eBay and this is his only coin sale—feedback is okay—the odd semi-sorted arrangement of the coins for the photos looks purposeful.
    The lot amounts to roughly thirty dollars face value. I bid the minimum $40.00 for the lot, and paid $22.00 for shipping—two times face value. I live with that, though, shipping seems high.
    The photographs and shipping cost kept bidders away, you think?
    Some are proofs and others are not, I’ll see.
    I’ll post what happens, good or evil.
    Then, again, I might not be able to post, I do not like hanging on the wall stinking, and I expressed it.
    I could die from embarrassment, I’ll change for the better.

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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:
    Nah, those are the holders that ANACS used for "TV" bulk grading. @cmerlo1 has done a lot of work unlocking sections of the database that were not being found due to bad joins, but he only knows to go after what we tell him about :-).

    This is correct- these slabs are ANACS slabs and are authentic. Like @BStrauss3 said, we use those for large bulk orders, mainly from TV companies. All of the major grading services do work for these companies. These bulk submissions are in a different system than the regular submissions (hence the odd-looking cert #'s), and this was definitely a challenge when I was coding the cert verification and pop report for the site. I'll forward a link to this post to my boss, @ANACSPAUL and maybe he can provide some more insight. We're also transitioning to a new website (you can see some of it at www.anacs.com) and I'm not sure if the cert verification and pop reports will be completely redone or just getting a newer, prettier UI with the same backend. Either way I'll look in the bulk DB and see if I can identify these certs and get them working in the lookup.

    The misspelling of 'authentic' is a mechanical error. No grade on the holder means the customer requested authentication only.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can we send coins in under same authentication only plan with no grade at a lesser cost, or just large companies?
    Jim


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