LM Plate Coins (Half Dimes) - Where are they now?

Bikergeek

I'm pursuing the 123-coin set of Capped Bust Half Dimes and the Logan-McCloskey book Federal Half Dimes 1792 - 1837 is my bible. Within the last few years I've managed to snag four plate coins (all attributed and True Viewed as they're in my registry set). I'll post them - and hope to see yours here!

1829 LM-16.2 XF45. Page 164

1830 LM-4.2 AU58. Page 175

1830 LM-9.1 MS64. CAC, ex Bareford. Page 180

1832 LM-8.1 AU58. Page 209

golden

Love the 1830 CAC.

Bikergeek

Most of the four TrueViews above are pretty close, but the 1830 LM-9.1 pic is a little juiced. My photos are a bit closer to the coin in hand:

yosclimber

Many of the plate coins were in the Russ Logan Collection,
and when it was sold, the photos were archived here:
http://rob.com/russ/collection/index.html
So these could be useful for matching plate coins.

Another approach would be to locate the "finest known" coins that are referenced on each LM page,
as they are not always the plate coin.

Cladiator

Here's my one and only LM plate coin. Won it off eBay many years ago. Two other half dime specialists knew of the auction as well but, as they both already had plate coins in their collections, they kindly stepped aside and let me bid on the coin without their competition. I don't recall what it sold for exactly. It was more than a non-plate coin but not by a whole lot. If the three of us had duke'd it out over it, who knows what would have happened. Well, I know I wouldn't have won it but one of them would have paid a lot more for it than I did lol. I won it as an NGC AU58 but have since then crossed it over to PCGS with the plate coin attribution on the label, still AU58.

Edit to add: It's the LM4

Bikergeek

@Cladiator, that's a nice one! And, true confession time here, one of your early posts about that very coin which I came across just recently was a big part of my inspiration to put out a call for plate coin images.

If you're ever interested in entertaining offers on that coin, PM me!

ricko

Nice coins, as they should be, to be featured. Interesting collecting niche.... though it could prove to be difficult. Cheers, RickO

Bikergeek

@yosclimber said:
Many of the plate coins were in the Russ Logan Collection,
and when it was sold, the photos were archived here:
http://rob.com/russ/collection/index.html
So these could be useful for matching plate coins.

Another approach would be to locate the "finest known" coins that are referenced on each LM page,
as they are not always the plate coin.

I did flip through some of the Logan coins last night and compared them to some of the (re)marriages that I have for the same grade. Didn't find a match, but that would be super cool to discover you had a plate coin all along!

The task of "just" finding the 123 coins in the set is daunting enough... I can't imagine one owner holding a significant number of the plate coins, let alone the (then-) finest ones referenced!

I wonder if there's a collection of color images for the LM plate coins or the Logan set? That would be a nice resource...

yosclimber

@Bikergeek said:
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I wonder if there's a collection of color images for the LM plate coins or the Logan set? That would be a nice resource...

I downloaded all of the Logan collection photos years ago.
I checked them just now - all the half dime photos are in color.

Bikergeek

@yosclimber said:

@Bikergeek said:
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I wonder if there's a collection of color images for the LM plate coins or the Logan set? That would be a nice resource...

I downloaded all of the Logan collection photos years ago.
I checked them just now - all the half dime photos are in color.

Lol, right you are! I think they are so small and pastel that I thought of them as grey-scale! I found it taxing to compare them to big True View or my own hi-res images and gave up pretty fast (not that I think I'd find an undocumented plate coin among my set anyway).

@yosclimber, do you happen to have any larger photos, just for posterity? I have to imagine the "russ.com" images are reduced-size from the ones that were published in the book (?)

I did hunt down the PCGS-published auction list: https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/auctionsaledetails/bowers-merena/russell-j-logan-gilbert-g-steinberg/firmid/10003/saleid/-8495008894721972094
but they don't seem to link to any hi-res large photos (like a Heritage sale might have).

Cladiator

@Bikergeek said:
I wonder if there's a collection of color images for the LM plate coins or the Logan set? That would be a nice resource...

I believe you may be building such a collection of images with this thread. Keep this thread going for another decade or so and you'll probably have quite a few images. 5 images in the first day is pretty good lol.

yosclimber

@Bikergeek said:
@yosclimber, do you happen to have any larger photos, just for posterity? I have to imagine the "russ.com" images are reduced-size from the ones that were published in the book (?)

The photos I downloaded are the same as the ones currently at that site.
The LM book plate photos were almost certainly printed from normal film camera negatives available at the time of publication.

I did hunt down the PCGS-published auction list: https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/auctionsaledetails/bowers-merena/russell-j-logan-gilbert-g-steinberg/firmid/10003/saleid/-8495008894721972094
but they don't seem to link to any hi-res large photos (like a Heritage sale might have).

Heritage doesn't have any hi-res photos online from 2002 (year of the Logan sale).
It's not until 2007 that they have hi-res photos online, i.e. good enough for attribution.
Stack's had them a little earlier, but not in 2002.

yosclimber

Here are a couple of photos of LM plate coins in the Crain collection when it was sold in 2019.

1829 LM-6.2 AU-det

1833 LM-7 AU-53 (note: an MS-67 exists)

Bikergeek

@Yosclimber reminded me to look at the notable recent sales. Here are two ex Meaney that we haven't seen yet. These were from the Meaney sale conducted in 2021 by Dave Perkins.

1833 LM-3.2 page 231

1833 LM-3.5 page 234

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BustDMs

I don’t have images at the moment but I purchased some at the Logan sale.

Bikergeek

@BustDMs said:
I don’t have images at the moment but I purchased some at the Logan sale.

Looking forward to seeing them! Even if you just snap a cell phone pic and upload those!

Barndog

I had a great deal of fun collecting plate coins, this thread is a good reminder of that enjoyment

Bikergeek

Coming up, four LM plate coins gleaned from the current #1 PCGS registry set.
1829 LM-15.2, page 162

Bikergeek

1832 LM-8.3, p. 211

Bikergeek

1832 LM-9.1, p 214

Bikergeek

1833 LM-4.1, p 235
Oops - retracted, pic deleted. This one was listed in error.

Bikergeek

Happy New Year to all. I am privileged to add another Plate Coin to the mix: 1832 LM-1, page 202.

Bikergeek

Here's a goodie from my friend referenced above, owner of the PCGS registry set "Life After Cattle." This is a dupe of his set piece, which is in a higher grade. This is 1834 LM-3, 3/inv3, ex David Davis, page 250.

Cladiator

Updated image. Just got the TrueView today for the 1829 LM4 Plate Coin...

Bikergeek

Hey @Cladiator, LOVE that image! Happy to see it in an attributed/pedigreed slab sir!

Barberian

Is this Russ of enhanced hair Kennedys fame. Russ the "Scumnuker?"

Riley1955

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yosclimber

@Barberian said:
Is this Russ of enhanced hair Kennedys fame. Russ the "Scumnuker?"

No.
The accented hair Kennedy guy was Russ Stringham (@Russ on this forum) from Washington state; he passed away in 2016.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/188065/the-russ-monthly-accented-hair-kennedy-population-report
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/970910/russ-stringham-russ-has-passed-away

The Russ in this thread was Russ Logan of Ohio.
He wrote great books on bust dimes and bust half dimes; passed away in 2002.
http://rob.com/russ/

Mr_Spud

All the coins in this thread are truly great, thanks for posting these.

BustDMs

I can add two…..

Bikergeek

@BustDMs those are great! The 1830 is especially interesting, as it's the plate coin for 1830 LM-1.1 but as your notes indicate, the coin is in fact an LM-1.2. So that's a unique thing! Thanks for sharing this.

(I drafted a longer response earlier, noting that the forum has the images in a weird order - but the first reverse shown above is the 1830, and the second one is the 1829. The obverses are, obviously, a little easier to identify... lol. But I typo'd the answer, edited it, and went into some gray area where the forum declined to post that response. Thus, this short reply here.)

Bikergeek

New addition to my personal set: 1833 LM-3.1, p 30. In NGC/CAC MS62.

Cladiator

When you get a big group of these coins, which I've no doubt you will, a public display at a big ANA or Fun would be awesome. Congrats on another awesome pick up.

Bikergeek

Here are a dozen (!) more. I recently had the great experience of photographing JRCS member #323's half dimes and posting them on my little hobby site, groovycoins.com. I wanted to add them to the gallery here. (Photos were done in a limited time with less-than-perfect lighting so any ugliness is on me, not the coins!)

1829 LM-7.3, page 152. Owned by JRCS323.

1829 LM-8, page 153. Owned by JRCS323.

Bikergeek

1829 LM-11, page 156. Owned by JRCS323.

1829 LM-12, page 157. Owned by JRCS323.

Bikergeek

1829 LM-14, page 160. Owned by JRCS323.

1830 LM-5, page 176. Owned by JRCS323.

Bikergeek

1831 LM-4, page 195. Owned by JRCS323.

1832 LM-2, page 203. Owned by JRCS323.

Bikergeek

1833 LM-3.3, page 232. Owned by JRCS323.

1833 LM-3.4 (removed pic--was included in error. A Logan coin, but not a plate coin).

Bikergeek

1833 LM-6, page 239. Owned by JRCS323.

1833 LM-8, page 241. Owned by JRCS323.

Cladiator

Looks like you had a fun visit! The fields on that '32 LM2, good Lord...drool........

Bikergeek

I "cherrypicked" myself for a plate coin! I was looking at my dupes for @jesbroken. This 1832 LM-4, pedigreed to John McCloskey, was offered in the McCloskey auction at Heritage on 2/6/22. I was angling for other McCloskey material and didn't bid on it back then. On 4/30/23, it came up on GreatCollections and I had a few extra shekels in my pocket, so I went for it - because obverse cuds are intrinsically cool. I photographed it, and stashed it away.

Today I pulled up my images, and decided to compare its die state with the plate coin on p205. Hmmm... awfully close... same coin! Interesting to note, neither NGC nor Heritage flagged this as a Plate Coin. Had I known that in 2022, I would have gone for it - and I suspect others would as well.

So, I present 1832 LM-4, page 205:

jesbroken

Great coins, all. Congrats and thanks for sharing. Wish mine looked as good.
Jim

JohnF

I don't think I've mentioned on this thread, but I bought the entire LM plate coin set from Stu Levine in 2003. We (DLRC) needed a anchor auction consignment for our inaugural live auction in NYC and I was over the moon to acquire it. Then, out of nowhere, we were approached by the Richmond Collection consignor which dwarfed everything before it.... so I decided to sell off the LM plate coins prior to the auction. It was crazy times for us. I loved (and still do) bust half dimes. Among my favorite of all US coin series.

John