Grading results from July Submission
ModCrewman
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I've received grades on two submissions one modern and one economy, mailed late June, logged in early July. I sincerely ask...what is going on in Newport Beach?
Though I felt the modern submission was graded very conservatively, 29 of 36 received either a CAM or DCAM designation, of those 29 there are a half dozen coins that will be cracked and resubmitted because I'm confident they missed the mark.
The economy submission that posted yesterday is another story 3 of 40 coins received a CAM/DCAM designation. I'll concede that much of that submission was not expected to be so designated. However, **NONE **of these coins received a CAM/DCAM designation...I simply don't know how these all could have been overlooked.
PR67RD
PR67
PR68
PR68
PR67
PR66
PR68
PR66
PR67
PR68
PR68
PR67
PR67
There were another half dozen coins in the submission that I'd have hoped for, but not necessarily expected, cameo designations on as well.
There are some great TrueViews of a few toned coins I had shared in a previous post before submitting:
PR68 CAM
PR67
Along with the toned 64 dime, the other 2 fortunate enough to have received a designation:
67 DCAM
66 CAM
Comment as you may.
Comments
Geez. Looks like they’re being excessively tough on those coins at the moment. Doesn’t bode well for me with the submission I have in now.
I can see why they said no for about half, but the other half has me scratching my head.
Coin Photographer.
Really nice coins, and, based on the TV's, some should have gone CAM.... That being said, when judging, in hand is the final assessment. Good luck on resubmitting, and let us know the outcome. Cheers, RickO
I have experienced similar results on multiple submissions this year, including this run of 1953 half dollars that IMO warrant a Cameo designation but did not receive same.
If you are so inclined you should post a thread, with photos, of the SMS coins you received grades on recently.
I feel your pain. I recently had a similar experience.
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
This is my Washington Quarter Proof Variety Registry Set
Ouch.....
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
i've probably asked before but do you send some of the failed but seemingly obvious cam/dcam ats?
i can see some rainbow ledgend toning (at least) on that 63 quarter. amazing how toning can disappear at certain angles like that.
thanks for sharing the results. if i come across something in the wild and think about submitting it like any of the coins above, i will reconsider. they sure look amazing from the images.
economy in July? What year? 2020? 2021? My economy from May is still in "grading". ugh
ModCrewman said: There were another half dozen coins in the submission that I'd have hoped for, but not necessarily expected, cameo designations on as well.
It has been my observation that when a submitter "hopes" for grades/designations on submitted coins that the game is already lost. Also, these type of results seem to be a trend that's developed during the past 1-2 years. If that's the case and coupled with the extremely slow service right now, wouldn't it be wise to just stop submitting coins for a while??
@ModCrewman knows his CAMs and DCAMs, so he's usually spot on. I don't think he's going to be your average submitter.
With that said, this is indeed a trend. Moreover, the market is now recognizing the trend as such and is now paying CAM prices for coins like the above that should have gotten the designation, but yet didn't. In other words, the market has decided the graders were wrong (too tight) and it has started to correct for that.
Coin Photographer.
Thanks for the confidence @FlyingAl.
Based on my experience of submitting a couple thousand 1950-70 proof/SMS coins since 2011, it is my opinion that other than the 1955 quarter and 1964 Kennedy, the coins shared above should be lock cameos. @Maywood - You're probably not far off about your "hoped for" comment above, that being said my hope is informed by my experience submitting to PCGS over the past 11 years. Here are a few of the "hoped fors" from this last submission where though the contrast is there, it's either not even or is light to moderate and lack of the designation isn't a complete surprise.
PR66
PR67
PR67
PR65
PR66
PR68
PR68
Since I haven't shared it in awhile, here's a peak at my "submitter's resume" of sorts: ModCrewman's 1950-1964 Proof Set I'm up to #6 current with all but a handful having been purchased by me raw.
Modcrewman's Registry Set of 1950-1964 (#6 on the Current Finest list) is amazing, particularly considering that he has built this set primarily from raw coins he has found in the wild and submitted for grading.
I remember him contacting me around the time he started collecting in this niche area 11 plus years ago (he had seen some of my Forum posts on the topic of 1950-1970 Proof and SMS coinage) to say hello and introduce himself. We have communicated back and forth over the years and I have enjoyed seeing him build his sets and find some great raw coins in his area of the country (the mid-west).
He definitely has a keen eye for coins in this area. He has submitted hundreds if not over one thousand coins to our host for grading over the past 11 plus years. He has a good feel for quality coins in this niche, including what coins are worthy of a Cameo or a DCAM designation.
Maybe one day he will hire himself out as a coin grader in this niche area
so he can have some influence over determining what the dividing line is for Brilliant, Cameo and DCAM examples of these coins.
I started submitting 1939-1970 Proof and SMS coins to our host in 2021 and have had some successes and some failures. It has been an interesting process to go through.
I have had a few results that Modcrewman has not yet obtained, including having two 1950 half dollars, one 1951 half dollar and one 1957 cent that received Cameo designations (a 1950 PF64 CAM, a 1950 PF65CAM, a 1951 PF64 CAM and a 1957 PF68CAM).
Cameonut also has an amazing 1950-1964 Registry Set of proof coins (#5 of the Current Finest List), that I understand also contains some coins that he purchased raw and had graded (including this 1953 PF67DCAM nickel that he found in an OGP set);
My 1950-1964 Registry Set is relatively new and is a work in progress. It is a fun area to collect in.
@Modcrewman et al, please don't equate my low post count with knowledge and experience.
I've collected these type of coins dating back to last century
and lurked here as I watched the three of you earn your chops!! Since then I've moved to different collecting areas, kept the best coins, continued to search and retained the knowledge. As you all should know, the primary requisites for either designation, Cam/DCam, is complete, unbroken frost and fully reflective, unclouded and mirrored fields which provide a strong contrast. Absent that, these coins will be undesignated. Resubmitting the coins successfully really doesn't prove much of anything, least of all that you were correct the first time around.
Don, thanks for sharing, the coins posted are indeed lovely examples.
TTT.
I bring this thread to the top to show recently graded proof coins I submitted this year that did not receive a Cameo designation. Whether you agree of disagree with our host on what is required to receive a Cameo designation, last year and this year it has been difficult to obtain the designation on raw coins submitted for grading.
Further, below are photos of coins in my submissions that did receive a DCAM designation (the 1963 nickel and the 1961 dime)
and that received a Cameo designation