1877 G$1 PCGS says MS, NGC says Proof
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I am pretty sure this is the same coin. Sold recently on Heritage as PCGS MS scratched. Now listed on GC as Proof scratched.
Which is it? Super rare if proof. Mintage 20.
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Who do you trust? PCGS or NGC? Will it CAC?
Details coins don't CAC.
I think it's a proof.
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Sold for $780 as MS. Just sold tonight for $2925 as proof.
Pays to know what you're doing and have the time to go through auctions.
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I also believe that is a proof.
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So one of the TPG’s got it wrong?
Yes. Apparently PCGS got it wrong to the financial detriment of the original submitter.
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Ugly coin regardless of what it is.
I have an 1858 Small Letters FEC that is graded MS65+ by NGC. It is fully proof like and has every characteristic of the Small Letters High Leaves Proof.
Will probably submit it at FUN as a walkthrough to see if they agree. Difference in price is about $20k on it….I spotted all the markers at auction and thought it might be proof.
that may be, but look at those pops. WOW
https://www.pcgs.com/pop/detail/gold-dollar-1849-1889/51?ccid=0&t=3&p=PR
"pops" can't make an ugly coin beautiful. They can just make it expensive.
agree but beauty isn't the only thing to "attract" a buyer/collector but i do concede about a person's taste being their own.
those are good bargains for those that like low pops/survival rates. imo
to be fair, for me, sometimes learning a new little fact about something/someone or whatever can quickly change my perception and desire for it/about it. food for thought.
Like my 1921 Peace $
PCGS says “struck from high relief VAM-1H dies”
NGC says “High Relief PR65 Satin”
Therefore it lives in an NGC holder
What will the new CAC grading service call it?
Details something. Lol.
are you telling me the 3 or 4 known 21 peace dollars listed as 1h, 1g or whatever they are, are listed by ngc as PR satin and not just struck from those dies. that would be insane.
pcgs listed those as separate. the actual proof/satin or whatever examples and THEN those struck from those dies as business strike issues. surely ngc does the same though the wording may be a bit different but the vam numbers DO NOT overlap. t.i.a.
I think that it's an impaired Proof. Perhaps when the CAC slab goes on-line, you can send to them and find out "the truth."
Here's certified Proof that you can use for a comparison.
And here is a Proof-Like although it's not marked as such on the holder.
The OP's coin looks like a Proof to me.
The OP coin appears to be a Proof, JD-1. Obv: anomaly on chin, polished area under ear. Rev: the last 7 wholly under the A.
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From the photo I think NGC got it right, in hand might be a different answer.
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First reaction-proof.
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Certainly looks like a proof.
Looks like a proof to me but the OP is the one I'd ask any gold dollar question about so if he's not sure then my guess is just that!
Very clearly a proof. Glad they both got the scratch part correct.
Thanks for the compliment! I think it is a proof, but I would not be willing to bet the house. Here is my rationale: According to Bowers in his "Guidebook of Gold Dollars" ..."The reverse had the highest ribbon point under the space between 8 and 7. On a circulation strike , the highest point of the ribbon is below the first 7, slightly to the left of the center of the first 7."
If this statement is true it would indicate that the coin is a proof. However in reviewing several 1877's certified as proof and prooflike I found 2 others that met this criteria which were slabbed as MS.
In this series it is almost impossible to judge a proof from a prooflike just by fields and mirror finishes.
But I would not just trust either grading service of being correct without some knowledge about the proper markers for each. A lot of money at stake.
Great thread. Interesting points made. 👍
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I was referring to the new CAC Grading Company. They might also tackle those Proof-Like coins that currently are not marked as such on the holder.